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Why it is a necessity to have professional sports

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A Sports Fan

01-31-2002 08:00:46




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If not for professional sports to keep them occupied, these muscle bond oafs would be roaming the streets.

Why Athletes Shouldn't Be Role Models... (somewhat dated but still makes the point) Chicago Cubs outfielder Andre Dawson on being a role model: "I want all the kids to do what I do, to look up to me. I want all the kids to copulate me." New Orleans Saint RB George Rogers when asked about the upcoming season: "I want to rush for 1,000 or 1,500 yards, whichever comes first." And, upon hearing Joe Jacobi of the 'Skins say: "I'd run over my own mother to win the Super Bowl," Matt Millen of the Raiders said: "To win, I'd run over Joe's Mom, too." Football commentator and former player Joe Theismann 1996: "Nobody in football should be called a genius. A genius is a guy like Norman Einstein." Senior basketball player at the University of Pittsburgh: "I'm going to graduate on time, no matter how long it takes." Bill Peterson, a Florida State football coach: "You guys line up alphabetically by height." And "You guys pair up in groups of three, then line up in a circle." Boxing promoter Dan Duva on Mike Tyson hooking up again with promoter Don King: "Why would anyone expect him to come out smarter? He went to prison for three years, not Princeton." Stu Grimson, Chicago Blackhawks left wing, explaining why he keeps a color photo of himself above his locker: "That's so when I forget how to spell my name, I can still find my clothes." Shaquille O'Neal on whether he had visited the Parthenon during his visit to Greece: "I can't really remember the names o all the clubs that we went to." Shaquille O'Neal, on his (then) lack of championships: "I've won at every level, except college and pro." Lou Duva, veteran boxing trainer, on the Spartan training regime of heavyweight Andrew Golota: "He's a guy who gets up a six o'clock in the morning regardless of what time it is." Pat Williams, Orlando Magic general manager, on his team's 7-27 record in 1992: "We can't win at home. We can't win on the road. As general manager, I just can't figure out where else to play." Chuck Nevitt, North Carolina State basketball player, explaining to Coach Jim Valvano why he appeared nervous at pactice: "My sister's expecting a baby, and I don't know if I'm going to be an uncle or an aunt." Jim Finks, New Orleans Saints General Manager, when asked after a loss what he thought of the refs: "I'm not allowed to comment on lousy, no good officiating." Alan Kulwicki, stock car racer, on racing Saturday nights as opposed to Sunday afternoons: "It's basically the same, just darker." Lincoln Kennedy, Oakland Raiders tackle, on his decision not to vote: "I was going to write myself in, but I was afraid I'd get shot." Frank Layden, Utah Jazz president, on a former player: "I told him, 'Son, what is it with you? Is it ignorance or apathy?' He said, 'Coach, I don't know and I don't care." Torrin Polk, University of Houston receiver, on his coach, John Jenkins: "He treats us like men. He lets us wear earrings." Shelby Metcalf, basketball coach at Texas A&M, recounting what he told a player who received four F's and one D: "Son, looks to me like you're spending too much time on one subject." Oiler coach Bum Phillips when asked by Bob Costas why he takes his wife on all road trips, Phillips responded, "Because she is too damn ugly to kiss good-bye."

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Fast Ed Ohio

02-01-2002 00:10:05




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 Re: Why it is a necessity to have professional sports in reply to A Sports Fan, 01-31-2002 08:00:46  
Dont Know , dont care , never watch em , bunch of over paid idiots, I got better things to do.



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Mike

02-01-2002 06:12:31




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 Re: Re: Why it is a necessity to have professional sports in reply to Fast Ed Ohio, 02-01-2002 00:10:05  
Well said Ed.
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Dave 2N

01-31-2002 19:23:21




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 Re: Why it is a necessity to have professional sports in reply to A Sports Fan, 01-31-2002 08:00:46  
Did this thread go way over the edge or what??? Let's end it by remembering that Grantland Rice said that "Sports are the salt and pepper of life." For some people, old tractors are the salt and pepper of life. For many of us here, sports AND tractors are the salt and pepper of life.
I really don't mind OT stuff but some of you guys should take your social science diatribes somewhere else.

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A Sports Fan 2

01-31-2002 22:37:38




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 Re: Re: Why it is a necessity to have professional sports in reply to Dave 2N, 01-31-2002 19:23:21  
Sports Fan

get over it. move on. and quit mucking up this site over inane junk. You, Ross, and Randall move on. "A Sports Fan 2"



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Ross

02-01-2002 01:33:39




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 Re: Re: Re: Why it is a necessity to have professional sports in reply to A Sports Fan 2, 01-31-2002 22:37:38  
All right. If you are going to get all huffy, I`m leaving.
I`ve sweat blood to educate people, given the best I could and this is the thanks I get. What a bunch of ingrates. Just wallow in your ignorance, you`ll get no more help from me, no matter how you beg and plead. I`m going over to the JD forum. Those people REALLY need help, and maybe THEY will appreciate my special ability to educate the ignorant.

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You want to educate the ignorant?

02-01-2002 04:34:20




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Why it is a necessity to have professional sports in reply to Ross, 02-01-2002 01:33:39  
Then start with humility lessons on the JD site. I'm sure that you will be an excellent role model for that!

Let the door hit you in the a - - because there will not be any harm done in there seeing thats where your brain is stuck.

Arrogant stupidity. You're a class act.



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Ross

02-01-2002 06:24:59




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Why it is a necessity to have professional sports in reply to You want to educate the ignorant?, 02-01-2002 04:34:20  
Thank you. At least one of you recognizes my greatness. And I am humil, after all I have a lot to be humil about. I always say, and I quote me here, "anything worth doing is worth messing up". (ROFLMAO)
Now, I`m really leaving. Maybe.



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EDDIE8N

02-01-2002 02:20:09




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Why it is a necessity to have professional sports in reply to Ross, 02-01-2002 01:33:39  
As they say, "Don't let the door hit you in the a-- on the way out".
Just demonstrating my ignorance. GRIN
EDDIE8N



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Ken in PA

01-31-2002 17:19:06




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 Re: Why it is a necessity to have professional sports in reply to A Sports Fan, 01-31-2002 08:00:46  
The only good sport is Junkyard Wars.....I think but I don't have cable TV. But I enjoyed the marathon they had at the hospital when my youngest was born. Sort of funny how long it takes to get all of the parts ordered you need to work on your tractor but they can build a truck mounted hydraulic shear in 10 hours!



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Randall

01-31-2002 13:36:39




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 Re: Why it is a necessity to have professional sports in reply to A Sports Fan, 01-31-2002 08:00:46  
I am laughing so hard I can't stand it. Norman Einstein? You are so right. I prefer to be kind than right. SO Ross, you are clever and open minded and truly an inspiration for all the "dumb" people who enjoy sports that you eloquently wrote about in your previous message. For such an educated or uneducated man that you claim to be or not to be, you are in the very least amusing. Why do you consume this tractor forum to be right? Is this your primordial need to define your insecurities and for some small moment here deem yourself to be so amusing and trodding down the wrong path at the same time? I am new to this forum and from what I have seen Ross you spoiled it and I'm not coming back here again. I apologize for calling you an idiot. You are right.

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could someone dechipher what this guy is saying?

01-31-2002 17:42:10




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 Re: Re: Why it is a necessity to have professional sports in reply to Randall, 01-31-2002 13:36:39  
can`t make any sense of it



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Don't care to...if he want to discuss sports, let him go to a sports discussion forum. EDDIE8N

01-31-2002 18:29:33




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 Re: Re: Re: Why it is a necessity to have professional sports in reply to could someone dechipher what this guy is saying?, 01-31-2002 17:42:10  
And if you want to stay here and clutter this board with all your gobbledegoop about sports, make sure you send Kim an annual donation!!!
PRIMORDIAL INSTINCTS...If I have to get in touch with my primordial instincts, I will put on camo paint and go sneak up on a deer out in the wild, and if I get my deer I will cook it and eat it just as my PRIMORDIAL ancestors did, not by sitting around in my living room, eating pizza out of the box and drinking beverages out of a can...while watching sports on T.V. and surfing back and forth through all the channels so I keep track of all the scores...etc. etc. etc...
EDDIE8N
P.S. I'm not against sports or sports fans. I just think there is a place for everything , and this is not the place to discuss proffessional sports.
My $5.00 and 98 cents worth.

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could someone dechipher what this guy is saying?

01-31-2002 17:41:56




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 Re: Re: Why it is a necessity to have professional sports in reply to Randall, 01-31-2002 13:36:39  
can`t make any sense of it



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heybusdriver

01-31-2002 10:30:39




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 Re: Why it is a necessity to have professional sports in reply to A Sports Fan, 01-31-2002 08:00:46  
Good point, but although I am not a sports fan and have no interest in football, soccer, boxing baseball or olympics, I do like hockey but am not a diehard fan that knows stats of players or teams, I would trade any of them for their income for mine and yours combined. You think any of them own $2500 N tractors? even if they where hobbiest farmers, not a chance. So I quess maybe they have laugh about us too, it takes all kinds to make the world go around, not everyone has the same interests. My opinion only everyone else to their own.
Stan

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pat

01-31-2002 08:31:40




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 Re: Why it is a necessity to have professional sports in reply to A Sports Fan, 01-31-2002 08:00:46  
well that about sums it up for me rolling on the floor laffin got a good chucle out of that ,, the sad part is that is true,,,,role models ?????I think not!!!!



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Barnstormer

01-31-2002 08:54:51




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 Re: Re: Why it is a necessity to have professional sports in reply to pat, 01-31-2002 08:31:40  
I can remember my grandfather watching Friday night boxing, in the 50's. It was about the only time he watched anything until he was living with my mother, in the late 60's, and watched the space shots to the moon. If he had seen this Tyson fiasco, I'm sure that he would never have watched again.
The worse it gets, the more some people thrive on it. Roman gladiators, anyone? Professional?
However, there are many intelligent sports participants and they can even speak intelligently. Refreshing!

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A Sports Fan

01-31-2002 10:22:41




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 Re: Re: Re: Why it is a necessity to have professional sports in reply to Barnstormer, 01-31-2002 08:54:51  
You are exactly right. But lets face it, professional sports are ALL rooted in the subconcious human blood lust. No matter how civilized the sport is. Heck, the same can be said about most board games, especially chess, the most respected and classical of all "brain games". Blood lust is the basis of competition, amongest each other and against nature. We all have it, no matter how much we try to disguise or deny it. To buck political correctness, there is nothing wrong with it, the problem is in what we do with it and finding a way to release it without being a detriment to our society. Ergo, organized, managed professional sports rather than gladitorial games or fuedal conflicts. It is how humans pulled themselves up to be the undisputed masters of Earth. To quote a famous philospher, "Nature without man, is not nature at all".

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Ross

01-31-2002 10:49:18




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Why it is a necessity to have professional sports in reply to A Sports Fan, 01-31-2002 10:22:41  
That is somewhat of a rehash of your earlier post wherein you went on at length about how sports is a saftey valve for aggression and other fairy tales. How about explaining all the bottle throwing, cussing, and fighting that goes on in the stands, sometimes so bad that the game has to be stopped.
How about the idiot parents that go to their kids games and spend the whole time yelling at their kids and cussing out the officials. I personally know one who kept his kid up till midnight after every game screaming at him about all the mistakes he had made.
You like sports and that is ok by me, but please don`t try to make it look like some kind of an uplifting element of our society.
Just for fun, why don`t you try an experiment. Go out on the street and stop 10 people at random and ask them to name their elected representives, then ask them something about sports and see which you get the most correct answers to.
You may think that sports is more important than who runs our government, and most people evidently agree with you, but I see that as a negative for the future of our society.

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A Sports Fan

01-31-2002 12:59:53




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Why it is a necessity to have professional sports in reply to Ross, 01-31-2002 10:49:18  
No fairy tales, an educated opinion, not mine - I just repeat it, but yet still backed by volumes of pyschological studies. If you doubt, go research it yourself. I did, only because like you, I once held the opinion humans had advanced their minds to the point they no longer harbored primordial urges. If you have a better reason for why sports are as popular as they are, I would love to hear it, seriously (other than something like "Everyone in the world but me is an idiot" - or - "Because they have been brain washed by Big Brother so the hoards from the north can invade us unopposed"). I promise I will not respond in any negative manner to your hypothosis.

Never once said sports were more important than our government. In fact, said just the opposite. Would you not agree there is some underlying reason the average Joe knows more about sports than politics? Could it be sports are something they can relate to? Or maybe because it is just plain fun? Both of which are elements of some deep rooted psychological phenomenon, such as the one I have described.

No matter what aspect of human interaction we wish to discuss, we can point to idiots who act before thinking, have a distorted view of their contribution, or incidents of mob mentality taking over. These idiots ae the minority of fans. Sports teams pull most people in their respective communities together for a common cause and social interaction (a good thing).

Finally, yes, absolutely, I think sports are an uplifting element of our society. Above all else, it shows how successful the American experiment has been in that we can afford to spend the great amount of resources and time to promote these activities.

I hope you enjoyed my original post. I view the sports mentality in a purely clinical sense. I also acknowledge the good and bad aspects. The majority of these over paid millionaires are not much more than pawns used by society to pacify our "need for speed". If not for their physical abilities, they would be a very expendable segment of our society.

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Ross

01-31-2002 16:58:36




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Why it is a necessity to have professional sports in reply to A Sports Fan, 01-31-2002 12:59:53  
I neither said nor implied that everyone in the world but me is an idiot. My opinion is that people who try to turn every conversation or forum to sports talk are idiots. I don`t know how any observant person could hold the opinion that the human mind has advanced beyond primordial urges. I certainly don`t hold that opinion.
While it is true that you didn`t say sports are more important than government, neither did you say the opposite, and while you might know what is more important, many sports fans don`t know and don`t care.
Why the interest in sports? Free time and laziness, coupled with television. Yes, fun has a place in the mix. Paying attention to what is happening in politics is not exciting and does take some effort. That people don`t relate to that is a reflection of our education system. Students are endoctrinated in sports from the day they enter kindegarten. Throughout their years in school, there is much more positive emphasis on sports than on government. The masses are trained in government schools that sports are more important than anything. Society reflects that training.
Some years back there was a government study to find out why kids fell off tricycles. About 30,000.00 was spent on the study. An exasperated mother said "I could have told them why kids fall off tricycles for nothing. They go fast and try to turn."
I suspect that all the studies you cited fall into the same category as the aforementioned study.
Finally, I found your initial post very funny. I also was a little saddened as Alan Kulwicki was a man for whom I had great admiration and respect.

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Mike

02-01-2002 06:02:41




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Why it is a necessity to have professional sports in reply to Ross, 01-31-2002 16:58:36  
I remember that interview, Alan Kulwicki was asked a stupid question and responded sarcasticly, you miss that when its repeated in print.
Mike



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Ross

02-01-2002 06:40:09




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Why it is a necessity to have professional sports in reply to Mike, 02-01-2002 06:02:41  
Mike. I didn`t express my thoughts clearly. What saddened me was the reminder of his death. I didn`t see that interview, but had seen enough of him to know that was not just an ignorant remark.
If there was ever a man who fit the song title "I did it my way", it was Alan Kulwicki.



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Words of truth --- Well Spoken ------ Andy - Hammond, LA

01-31-2002 13:17:20




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Why it is a necessity to have professional sports in reply to A Sports Fan, 01-31-2002 12:59:53  
Mr "Sports Fan" == please email me or present your contact info -

I respect your educated candor concerning sports in society. Your findings are based upon scientific and psychological truths. I played football & track in HS & DIV-1 college and made it to the olympic trials twice (qualifying in sprints both times) - I know exactly what you state is true. I have at least a dozen close friends who compete as starters and 3 of them are pro-bowlers in the NFL. I am not a sports fanatic by any means - (Hell I didn't even watch the last 4-5 weeks of football) I loved to compete and win - not concerned with the harboring of trophies, medals, ribbons or salutations.

Much more concerned with what I did on the playing arena that day. It is such a true emotional and primortal albeit instinctual drive to win and conquer but yes we have pacified ourselves down to "touchdowns, 3-pt shots & goals" instead of slashing throats and decapitations. The fire is still in our genes, our spirit and our lives. It does get saturated with lies, corruption, false pride and people who play for themselves or for the bucks. As does most things in society at times. But the true combatants are those who play from the heart and not their bank account.

I respect your honesty. Andy

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George Willer

01-31-2002 15:06:25




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Why it is a necessity to have professional sports in reply to Words of truth --- Well Spoken ------ Andy - Hammond, LA, 01-31-2002 13:17:20  
There shouldn't really be a controversy here. After all, it is in our nature to want to be winners. I suppose If I were involved in an athletic contest, I would try my very best to be a winner. But I have, at my age, absolutely no interest in watching or listening to others doing so. If others want to be sports voyeurs, that's fine with me.

Here's my objection...The sports gabbers mess up my world and that of many others with their mindless babbling about the upcoming big game...the past big game...the possible future big game...who may or may not play in the big game, or even the big game that is going on right now.

I spend many hours alone, because that's my choice, and have a LOT of radios all tuned to the same station so I have continuity as I move around my house, office, multiple shop areas, my pickup, and the storage areas. As soon as I go around and change all the radios to be on the same station...some moron station manager puts another babbling sports session on. There's no escaping it, except silence.

Wouldn't it be fair to declare maybe 1/3 of the stations to be free of this crap?

Geeze, I recently heard they were even considering changing Grand Old Opry over to a sports jabbering station. Do you sports guys have to listen to ALL the stations at the same time?

George Willer

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01-31-2002 16:19:47




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Why it is a necessity to have professional sports in reply to George Willer, 01-31-2002 15:06:25  
I agree with you! When was the last time I ever brought up sports or sporting events? I cannot tell you. It does not encompass nor define my existence! I aspire to be something greater than a fanatic living their unfulfilled lives through the lives of unknown athletes.

We are all in agreement on this here in my opinion. Thanks for the comments.
Andy



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Ross

01-31-2002 15:59:18




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Why it is a necessity to have professional sports in reply to George Willer, 01-31-2002 15:06:25  
I think we may be twins. I, too have radios on all over the place, and constantly have to change them for the same reason. You have summed up precisely my objection to sports. It is not that people are interested in them, it is the incessant babbling about,and total lack of interest in, anything but sports.



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WHY NOT JUST IGNORE HIM----- DON TX

01-31-2002 20:16:36




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Why it is a necessity to have professional sports in reply to Ross, 01-31-2002 15:59:18  
These guy's are just trying to get a rise out of us. How about THESE roll models - the marine on the ground in a hostile foreign country - a missionary in a hostile foreign country? DON TX



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