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Strange acting starter

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Reid

02-18-2002 12:48:33




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I am having the following problem with the 6v starter on my 2N:
Took starter off the tractor----
1. Connected jumper cable from -ve battery post to starter post and then connected +ve battery post to tractor frame. Nothing happened. Starter did not turn.

2. I then connected the ground cable to one of the long bolts that runs the length of the starter body. In other words, the -ve batt.post was now connected to the starter post and the +ve batt. ground post was connected to the long bolt on the starter. The starter turned,ok.

3. I know this is not the way the starter should be energized.

4. Do I have some sort of short in the starter or would anyone have a suggestion?

Thanks for your help.
Reid

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llamas

02-18-2002 16:10:50




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 Re: strange acting starter in reply to Reid, 02-18-2002 12:48:33  
If you took the starter out of the tractor - then what you describe in item 1) is correct. The starter relies for its ground on the mechanical joint between the starter housing and the main body of the tractor. If you took it off the tractor, you broke that connection.

What you describe in item 2) would indicate that the starter is functioning correctly, whether on or off the tractor. Connect -ve ("hot") to the single terminal on the starter, and +ve ("ground") to the starter farme, and if the motor is OK, it will turn over.

If it turned at all, I doubt you have a short in the motor. Most likely a brush is stuck in its holder and not making good contact, or is glazed over. If you have it out, start by removing the brush holder assembly, on the front end of the motor when it's mounted in the tractor. Put a couple of aligning amrks on the edge of the brush holder and the case of the starter with a rpick-punch so you know how to align it when it goes back together. Clean it up real good, make sure the brushes are free and in good shape, and clean out the slots between the commutator sections carefully. You might also carefully buff up the commutator with some 1000-grit emery cloth. Keep track of any shims and thrust washers that are on the end of the motor shaft when you remove the brush assembly, and put all back together as it came apart. Starter motor bearings have a very hard life and will thank you for a cleaning and some oil, but keep the oil out of the brush assembly. A trick to reassembly is to wire the brushes back in their holders using a very fine copper wire - pull some electrical cable apart to get it if you don't have a roll of something suitable. You'll be able to slide the brush holder right back on, and once it's all bolted back together, reach in with your forceps or needle-nose pliers and snap off the wires and pull them out. Saves a lot of chipped brushes and cussing.

HTH

llater,

llamas

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llamas...what do you think about anti-sieze on brush holders?

02-18-2002 16:45:39




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 Re: Re: strange acting starter in reply to llamas, 02-18-2002 16:10:50  
Mr. llamas,

I fixed a real rusty generator brush holder problem with sanding and anti-sieze.
Wiped till it was just a film inside. I used conductive A-S. Helps with the condensate and ocasional rain.
bd



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llamas

02-19-2002 03:32:25




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 Re: Re: Re: strange acting starter in reply to llamas...what do you think about anti-sieze on brush holders?, 02-18-2002 16:45:39  
I wouldn't - but I'm notoriously irrational. If it worked good for you, who am I to argue?

Many anti-sieze compounds contain metallic particles (copper or silver) as well as an oil base, and I wouldn't want that migrating onto the commutator. Besides, the brushes are a graphitie composition and should lubricate themselves OK if the brushholders are smooth and in good shape.

But - like I said - if it worked good for you? It's like using anti-sieze in brake assemblies - a little in the right places does a lot of good.

llater,

llamas

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John,PA

02-18-2002 13:37:59




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 Re: strange acting starter in reply to Reid, 02-18-2002 12:48:33  
Think that I would put the starter back on the tractor. Make sure the thru bolts are clean as well as the area where they go thru the back plate. Make sure that the electrical cable connections are clean and tight also, at the starter end and the starter switch end. Should work!.



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DON TX

02-18-2002 12:59:25




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 Re: strange acting starter in reply to Reid, 02-18-2002 12:48:33  
Why did you remove the starter in the first place? DON TX



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Reid

02-18-2002 14:16:06




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 Re: Re: strange acting starter in reply to DON TX, 02-18-2002 12:59:25  
Don,
Good question!
The reason that I took the starter off the tractor was because when I went to hook up a new battery, the starter wouldn't turn over. The tractor had not been used for a few months. I could only determine that there might be something wrong with the starter, such as corrosion etc. Sure enough, when I went to "bench test" it still wouldn't rotate. So I guess it's down to the nearest electric motor shop so they can check it out for me before I go through the contortions of putting the thing back on. Better safe than sorry, etc, etc.
Thanks
Reid

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