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Pat

02-18-2002 20:11:54




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What is the best way to resolder the tube. The seal broke and it will not hold a prime. Is this silver solder?

Pat




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Burnzee

02-19-2002 12:08:34




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 Re: Oil pickup tube in reply to Pat, 02-18-2002 20:11:54  
I just bought a new one from New Holland. It was $140.00!!! Ouch! It even suprised the counterperson that it was so high. If you can be sure that the connection will not come loose, you will be dollars ahead to fix the old one.



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George Willer

02-19-2002 07:12:13




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 Re: Oil pickup tube in reply to Pat, 02-18-2002 20:11:54  
A joint broke on my '46 2N pickup tube about 10 years ago, causing it to lose prime and spin the bearings. It was silver soldered. I used silver solder for the repair, and so far, it is holding up just fine. I think soft solder would be, at best, a temporary repair.

George Willer



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Willard,,,,,,,,,,George What Type Torch?

02-19-2002 09:45:05




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 Re: Re: Oil pickup tube in reply to George Willer, 02-19-2002 07:12:13  
George, what type torch did you have to use to melt the silver solder and do you know what percentage silver was in the solder. Thanks Willard



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George Willer

02-19-2002 10:22:35




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 Re: Re: Re: Oil pickup tube in reply to Willard,,,,,,,,,,George What Type Torch?, 02-19-2002 09:45:05  
I used Oxy-Acetylene. I have a nifty aircraft welding torch that I use for all delicate jobs. It is so handy that it is permanently hooked up and ready to go...with a double hose setup.

The silver solder I have is from a variety of sources, and has a range of melting points, but I don't know what silver content any of them have. I'll have to clip a small sample of each one to heat on a steel plate (all at the same time) so I'll be able to mark them again for the order they melt in. I've lost my records.

George Willer

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Willard,,,,,Thanks George

02-19-2002 11:34:03




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Oil pickup tube in reply to George Willer, 02-19-2002 10:22:35  
Thxs.



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Claus

02-19-2002 09:51:29




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 Re: Re: Re: Oil pickup tube in reply to Willard,,,,,,,,,,George What Type Torch?, 02-19-2002 09:45:05  
You need a brazing torch to silver solder. This torch pulls in more air. Acetalyn will work fine with a brazing torch. If you have an oxy-acetelyn outfit with a welding torch you will need a little bit of oxygen.
Happy Motoring
CLaus



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ZANE

02-19-2002 04:56:30




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 Re: Oil pickup tube in reply to Pat, 02-18-2002 20:11:54  
I just did mine and used regular lead/tin alloy.

Like BUBBA though I ain't guarenteeing it!

The way I set it up so it would be about right over the drain plug screen. was that I clamped the oil pump/main cap on a level surface as determined with a sprit level and then turned the cup so that it was also level with a sprit level and then sweat soldered it good. I did clean both surfaces by sandblasting and has already pre-tinned both surfaces.

I'm like Llamas on the material that was originally used to do this. I don't think it was just plain old lead/tin solder but I don't know.

I was under the impression it was silver solder until I got to the one I am working on now and went back and checked a couple of old ones and all of them had leak/tin solder on them????? ?????

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llamas

02-19-2002 03:48:13




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 Re: Oil pickup tube in reply to Pat, 02-18-2002 20:11:54  
As suggested before, I recommend that you hop on over to the "tool talk" board and put out the call to Steve Naber of US Alloys, who is a regular there. He has forgotten more about soldering, brazing and welding alloys that you and I could ever learn, put together.

I doubt that the original solder was something as simple as 60/40 tin-lead plumbing solder. That's just not meant for that kind of application. At the same time, I doubt it was one of the high silver-solders or brazing metals, because those need an oxy-torch to use and that's just too hot for those parts. It may be one of the alloys known today by the generic name of "copper braze" metals. These are usually put up in a paste form and can be set off very nicely with a hot gas-air torch or a MAPP gas torch. The pump body is some sort of forged steel, the tube is a drawn steel part. The parts were likely originally sweated together in an oven or a gas-air rigging. One of your problems may be getting both parts clean enough for a good wetted joint - vapour-degreasing followed by something like soda-blasting may be needed to get to clean base metal.

HTH

llater,

llamas

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Dell (WA)

02-18-2002 20:57:20




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 Re: Oil pickup tube in reply to Pat, 02-18-2002 20:11:54  
Pat..... ..thats what "they" claim. There was quite a discussion about a month ago by Zane about his experiences. You might want the check the "archives" at the top of this great N-Board..... ....Dell



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