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Am I a sissy if I build a roll bar?

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Arne

02-19-2002 08:50:57




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The message about losing the neighbor in a tractor accident kind of spooked me. It reminded me of a time my dad and I were pulling a stump with our JD 4020. Before I knew it, the front end was 4' off the ground and I had no idea as I was looking backwards. I could build a cool roll bar for my N. Actually, I am going to even if it does mean I am a sissy. ;-)

Arne




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JHill

02-20-2002 07:18:19




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 Re: Am I a sissy if I build a roll bar? in reply to Arne, 02-19-2002 08:50:57  
There are plans for one on www.springfieldbiz.com/oaktree. It looks to be a copy of commercial ones. If you use 1/4 inch steel it should hold an 8n easily.



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don

02-20-2002 07:03:21




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 Re: Am I a sissy if I build a roll bar? in reply to Arne, 02-19-2002 08:50:57  
I made one for my 8n a few years ago. My neighbor asked me if I would mow his pasture for him with my sickle bar, which half of it is sidehill. The first year I did it I took to thinking about rollover while I was doing it. Needless to say, I went no faster than low gear and idle to less than half throttle. I now have a rollbar on it with canopy and am/fm radio. When I'm out there mowing in the summer it sure feels good to feel the breeze and not have the sun beating down on me.
I only came close to rolling a tractor over once. I was mowing a knoll on my property with my red one, which I usually use the N. I knew I was getting pretty close to where the knoll drops off very steep and would want to start downhill and at that point the rear tire on the high side started turning backwards. I just steered the tractor directly downhill and rode it out. I've used the N tractor on it ever since.

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llamas

02-20-2002 05:07:36




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 Re: Am I a sissy if I build a roll bar? in reply to Arne, 02-19-2002 08:50:57  
Yes, of course you're a sissy. A great big gurly-man, a wimp, a wussy, light-in-the-loafers, a great big sissy, you sissy, you.

Oh, Nurse? - I need another bedpan! Man, I'll be happy when all this plaster comes off.

No, but seriously - you'll only be a sissy if you build a sissy roll-bar. But I don't think that any man who takes the time to protect himself from known dangers, so that he stays around for his family and his loved ones, is any sort of a sissy.

HTH

llater,

llamas

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Bob in NY

02-19-2002 20:20:26




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 Re: Am I a sissy if I build a roll bar? in reply to Arne, 02-19-2002 08:50:57  

Go for it! Just make sure it will clear your lowest obstacle. Around here, we've got lots of low trees. Apple country. Bob in NY



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Vic

02-19-2002 15:20:20




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 Re: Am I a sissy if I build a roll bar? in reply to Arne, 02-19-2002 08:50:57  
As an aside, if you're interested in how an 8N does in a rollover with ROPS, click on the link below. I don't know how educational it is, but it sure is interesting. Says something about how well the little machines are built, too!



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Mike

02-19-2002 13:26:28




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 Re: Am I a sissy if I build a roll bar? in reply to Arne, 02-19-2002 08:50:57  
Arne,
I wouldn't call you a sissy, when I got my 8N some years back I was at the Ford/New Holland dealer and asked about a roll bar that would fit the 8N, he refused to even sell me a bar, said he didn't want to be held liable if I put one on and got hurt.

Boy, have lawyers improved our society, or what?

Mike



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Here are some manufacturer links (ED-Illinois)

02-19-2002 13:27:23




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 Re: Re: Re: Am I a sissy if I build a roll bar? in reply to And Here Is The Definite Answer (ED-Illinois), 02-19-2002 10:14:19  
here is a link for some manufacturers that was posted on the N board in 1999 (archive searches are great)



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Claus

02-19-2002 09:35:11




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 Re: Am I a sissy if I build a roll bar? in reply to Arne, 02-19-2002 08:50:57  
The graveyard is full of over-testosteroned Neanderthals who think safety is for sissies. Perhaps this is Darwin at work.
Happy and Safe Motoring
Claus



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George8NFl

02-19-2002 09:29:15




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 Re: Am I a sissy if I build a roll bar? in reply to Arne, 02-19-2002 08:50:57  
Just like the man said better a live N owner than a Dead one. Maybe in the mean time if you need to pull from the rear you could use one of the inplements like a box balde, Bushhog ect. They might act as a so called willy bar as the drag racing people use. As a relative newbe at this myself I sure do appriciate all the great advice and usfull comments on the board. Again Thanks to all and be Patient with Us NuBees:)
George
ps warming up here in central Fl 70+ be using the Hog real soon:)

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bg

02-19-2002 09:20:27




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 Re: Am I a sissy if I build a roll bar? in reply to Arne, 02-19-2002 08:50:57  
Better a live sissy than a dead macho-man. I notice that all NASCAR drivers are now using the neck restraints. If Earnhardt could do it over, he might even consider one....



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Mark Hendershot

02-19-2002 09:19:15




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 Re: Am I a sissy if I build a roll bar? in reply to Arne, 02-19-2002 08:50:57  
A role bar has saved my life in a car befor but I had a 3-point Shoulder Harness on too. With out that or a seat belt you will come out of the seat and could be crushed also. Not having a role bar you may or may not be thrown clear or be able to jump off. But if you have one it will be harder to be throw clear so you need a tight seat belt to go with the Bar and maybe a different type of seat that it will work with. Who cares if someone thinks you are a sissy it's your life you are protecting just don't do it haft way. Mark H.

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ED-Illinois

02-19-2002 09:04:34




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 Re: Am I a sissy if I build a roll bar? in reply to Arne, 02-19-2002 08:50:57  
Arne - be careful.

Your tractor weighs more than a ton. A poorly built ROPS (roll over protection system) may be akin to whistling in the graveyard.

New Holland dealers have an ROPS for the Nseries tractor, which by law they are required to sell at cost.

And don't forget the seat belt. Without it, in a roll over you are a piece of cheese and the ROPS is the cutter.



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Tom A

02-19-2002 09:09:17




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 Re: Re: Am I a sissy if I build a roll bar? in reply to ED-Illinois, 02-19-2002 09:04:34  
Ed:

Just curious, what is 'at cost'? Is it something that we can install ourselves?

That story got me thinking, too, but unfortunately I don't have big bucks to spare (actually, who does?).

thanks,
Tom



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Larry 8N75381

02-19-2002 09:52:49




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 Re: Re: Re: Am I a sissy if I build a roll bar? in reply to Tom A, 02-19-2002 09:09:17  
Tom,
Some state Farm Bureaus have a RPOS program where you can get some financial help if you get one. You might check your EB.

Arne, ONLY sisies do without safety equipment! That is they are afraid (sisy) to be ribbed by the (susposedly) MACHO guys that don't use safety equipment. There is NOTHING macho about looking up from a casket at your grieving widow and children. A REAL MAN takes care of his wife and especially his children, and THAT means taking care of himself so he does not get injured or killed which would hinder his PRIMARY responsibility.

To say in a less diplomatic way that Ed, you would be STUPID (no insult meant - really) if you built your own RPOS. Unless you are a graduate engineer with the structural training to design it to take the loading that a roll over would subject the RPOS to. Then you would need to be a certified welder/fabricator to pur your design into effect - perfect design poorly made is just as a bad design excellently made.

[Down off saop box now]

As far a getting a RPOS on an 8N is concerned, I would say that only if you are going to operate yours where it is very hilly, or even if there is just one place you have to drive that has a steep slope will the RPOS seem to be required. You should be putting on an RPOS for an accident. NOT to protect yourself from doing something stupid. You simple should NOT be doing things so that you risk a rollover - EVER!! (oops, that sounds, "soap boxish" too) One other caveat on putting on a RPOS, that is if you expect other people to use the tractor, especially people not used to using dangerious equipment. When I bought my Ford 3000 for my farm in the foot hills of the Blue Ridge Mountains, I know that my son would want to/would be driving the 3000. SO the FIRST thing I bought for it was the Ford RPOS, and promptly put it on. There are even enough times when I am using the 3000 that I like the feel of the RPOS seat belt around me that it was WELL worth the money to have gotten it. I have some very steep hills! I'm a lot more careful on my 8N with no RPOS, even to the point of not going certian places on it.

You pays your money, takes your choice.

Regards,
Larry

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Arne

02-19-2002 10:07:47




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Am I a sissy if I build a roll bar? in reply to Larry 8N75381, 02-19-2002 09:52:49  
Larry,

it was me, not Ed that was talking about making one. I hear what you are saying, but it would be a big pill to swallow to buy one after all the roll cages I have fabbed over the years. I will look into it though.

Thanks for all the replies and resources folks. Y'all are great.

Arne



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Farmer(ga)

02-19-2002 17:01:22




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Am I a sissy if I build a roll bar? in reply to Arne, 02-19-2002 10:07:47  

Arne, Build it and build it strong.My son in law is going to build one for me.Of corse its to late for my friend and neightbor but could help me some day. Farmer(Ga)



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Larry 8N75381

02-19-2002 12:40:36




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Am I a sissy if I build a roll bar? in reply to Arne, 02-19-2002 10:07:47  
Arne,

You said, "after all the roll cages I have fabbed over the years." That is fine! I always start out assuming that someone is inexperenced until I find out different. It would seem that you are the exception and do have the experence to build an adaquate RPOS. Have at it! Post picts when done.

Regards,
Larry



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Ed-Illinois

02-19-2002 09:34:25




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 Re: Re: Re: Am I a sissy if I build a roll bar? in reply to Tom A, 02-19-2002 09:09:17  
I believe at cost means the parts without markup.

Check the archives - there is a lot of info about ROPS



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George8NFL

02-19-2002 09:55:42




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Am I a sissy if I build a roll bar? in reply to Ed-Illinois , 02-19-2002 09:34:25  
Checked archives could not find where to get one other than Ford Holland Dealer. Called local Ford New Holland dealer here in Central Fl he said he never heard of one for 8Ns. He checked his records and said not available from Ford. Any other sources?



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