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Too much for an 8N?

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Rick/Kansas

11-03-2000 05:38:25




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Regarding the front loader I'm thinking about for an 8n. If I get a loader, it will stay on all the time. My concern is about possibly overwhelming the hydraulics. Will a loader on front, and a rotary mower on the back end be handled OK?




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Fessman

11-03-2000 18:16:16




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 Re: Too much for an 8N? in reply to Rick/Kansas, 11-03-2000 05:38:25  
Kansas,

I have a loader on my 8n and I take the bucket off any chance I get. It makes the steering much lighter. Requires some prior planning on the projects, and 5 minutes of frustration putting the bucket back on each time. Note: I take off/put on the bucket 4-5 times a year.

Fessman



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Don8NAZ

11-03-2000 13:44:16




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 Re: Too much for an 8N? in reply to Rick/Kansas, 11-03-2000 05:38:25  
I have a light duty Paulson loader using onboard hydraulics on my 8N which I am totally pleased with. Good design, great workmanship, and inexpensive ($1100).

I don't seem to be overruning the hyd capacity and I work it pretty hard (construction backfilling). It does require the 3pt to be chained down. A shutoff valve in the loader circuit could work in order to return use of the 3pt.

Something that has not been addressed is the stop and go nature of the loader working against normal tractor cooling. I find that using the loader on a warm or hot day can really raise the heat in the engine. The tractor was designed for extended one direction runs at reasonable speeds and with reasonable convection cooling air, but using the loader I tend toward stop and go use with constant direction changes - no real chance for the tractor to gain any speed or for the engine to cool down. I actually had the gas in the tank percolate from engine heat soaking after a couple of hours of work (my 8N knows exactly when I need a break!).

The future hold some kind of heat deflector under the gas tank to see if I can keep the fuel cool enough to extend the time between breaks.

Don8NAZ

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Salmoneye

11-03-2000 17:59:54




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 Re: Re: Too much for an 8N? in reply to Don8NAZ, 11-03-2000 13:44:16  
Interesting!
I have never heard of fuel percolating in the tank on an 8N in any situation!
However, I have heard this complaint a number of times from our TO-20 owning brethren...



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Jim of Ill

11-03-2000 07:28:59




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 Re: Too much for an 8N? in reply to Rick/Kansas, 11-03-2000 05:38:25  
I have a bucket on the front that runs the hyd. from the front and I mow with a bush hog. The only problem I have is that the steering is a little hard.



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Salmoneye

11-03-2000 06:07:02




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 Re: Too much for an 8N? in reply to Rick/Kansas, 11-03-2000 05:38:25  
If you get a loader with a front mounted hydraulic pump that runs off the front of the crank, the answer is NO. You will not have a problem.
However, if you get a loader that runs off the tractors hydraulics, you will have to chain the lift arms down in order to run the loader and then you will be out of luck as far as 3 point implements...



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Bob Semrau

11-03-2000 06:41:19




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 Re: Re: Too much for an 8N? in reply to Salmoneye, 11-03-2000 06:07:02  
For the loader using tractor hydraulics, if plumbs a shut-off valve in the hydraulic line to the loader, he can raise the loader to some convenient level, shut off the line to it, then unchain the 3-point and use it normally - I think.



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Salmoneye

11-03-2000 07:02:26




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 Re: Re: Re: Too much for an 8N? in reply to Bob Semrau, 11-03-2000 06:41:19  
I agree with you completely.
I was trying to point out that you can only use one at a time.
If he was trying to spread dirt with the bucket and then use a 3-point blade to grade it, he would be on and off all day, chaining and unchaining, opening and closing the shutoff.
Totally do-able, but a pain in the butt.
Unless you are actually loading a pickup or a manure spreader, I would still vote for a 3-point reversible scoop instead of a loader on an N...

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Steve W

11-03-2000 09:58:45




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Too much for an 8N? in reply to Salmoneye, 11-03-2000 07:02:26  
My neighbor built a cool ramp with a retaining wall made of railroad ties....backs tractor with 3-point scoop up ramp, and dumps. sometimes the manure doesn't run right out and he scrapes it with a flat shovel, but overall it looks pretty successful. The ramp has a ridge on the top so he can't easily back over it, He also cleverly welded a handle on the parking brake pawl to assist.

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Take Care
Steve

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Eddie S.

11-03-2000 09:16:22




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Too much for an 8N? in reply to Salmoneye, 11-03-2000 07:02:26  
I agree. You'd be suprised how versitile and how much work can be done with a simple reversable three point scoop. It's also much easier on the front end than a loader. Good luck!

Eddie



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