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Arne

03-04-2002 06:45:01




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I noticed a post in this forum mentioning the H is around 24HP. The 8N (side mount dist) is rated higher than that. I have been using an H for the last couple years. It will pull a 12' JD disk pretty well, but I doubt the 8N would do as well given how it pulls a 7' disk. Does anyone know why this would be? Does anyone have the Nebraska ratings for these two?

Arne




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Ric-Ky -here are some H specs.

03-04-2002 17:27:24




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 Re: 8N vs Farmall H in reply to Arne, 03-04-2002 06:45:01  
"H" 1939-1952
Bore/stroke 3.38X4.25
Disp. 152.1
Comp. Ratio 5.9:1
rated rpm 1650
Forward speeds 5
Basic weight 3694 Rear Tires 10X36



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Don, Luling LA

03-05-2002 06:14:03




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 Re: Re: 8N vs Farmall H in reply to Ric-Ky -here are some H specs., 03-04-2002 17:27:24  
The H has a torque advantage over the 8N from what I see. That 4.25 inch stroke on the H will give you real good pulling power over the 3.75 in stroke that the 8N has.



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Larry 8N75381

03-04-2002 07:24:13




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 Re: 8N vs Farmall H in reply to Arne, 03-04-2002 06:45:01  
What is the weight difference between the two?? I suspect that the H weighs more thus it will have the ability to pull harder since physics is the same for both tractors. That is, the maximum frictional force is directly proportional to the force perpendicular to the surface creating the friction. In the case of a tractor, the frictional force that propels the tractor forward, is the shear strength of the soil - OR the frictional force created when the rear wheels try to make the soil surface slid over the lower layer.

NOW, the design of the N series hitch, by Ferguson, was such that the suction of the plow (the force pulling the polw deeper into the ground) was transfered to the rear wheels. This gave the lighter N's the same ability to pull a plow as it's heavier contemporary tractors made by other companies. They all used plows that were pretty much simple pull type, not unlike that pulled by a horse or mule. So these polws could not transfer the suction load to the rear wheels of their tractors.

In the case of your disk, you didn't say, but I suspect that it is a pull type. And even a TPH Dearborn disk will not add as much load to the rear wheels as a plow will, since the disk is riding on top of the ground to break up the dirt clods. Rather than trying to pull it's self into the ground

Finally, remember that HP is a measure of how FAST you can do work not a measure of the force that can be applied. I could take a 1HP motor and move a battleship, BUT it would be VERY slow! And it would take something like millions of HP to move an N at Mach 10. :-)

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Larry

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Arne

03-04-2002 07:56:08




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 Re: Re: 8N vs Farmall H in reply to Larry 8N75381, 03-04-2002 07:24:13  
It is a pull type disc, but it does not just travel on the ground, it bites deep and turns soil. It puts the tractors under engine load. Last year when I planted my hay patch, the 12' did get to be too much for the H when it got deep. The N with a full bite on the 7' disc was under heavy load in 2nd gear when I worked my arena the other weekend. I suspected the torque and weight was a factor, but didn't know the physics. It would be interesting to use a 3pt disc and see if there is a difference.

I think it was Carol Shelby that said "Horsepower sells engines, torque wins races." ;-)

Arne

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Barnstormer

03-04-2002 07:55:23




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 Re: Re: 8N vs Farmall H in reply to Larry 8N75381, 03-04-2002 07:24:13  
Well put. I grew up on both an 8N and a Farmall H. I could not then nor could I now repeat what you just said. We just knew, by experience, that they were about equal for plowing day in and day out. (Actually, the 8N was a little quicker because of better manuverability) For straight pulling, the H had the advantage and that was how we used them.



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Kevin Mn

03-04-2002 09:14:09




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 Re: Re: Re: 8N vs Farmall H in reply to Barnstormer, 03-04-2002 07:55:23  
I also grew up on both and H and 8n. I agree with your assessment. Plowing they were equal. Although the 8n would never be able to handle a pull type plow like the H or any other pull type implement. But it had a lot of other advantages.



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BArnstormer

03-04-2002 09:39:28




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: 8N vs Farmall H in reply to Kevin Mn, 03-04-2002 09:14:09  
I suspect that if the H had a three-point hydraulics it could have pulled a 3 bottom plow.



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ED-Illinois

03-04-2002 06:52:06




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 Re: 8N vs Farmall H in reply to Arne, 03-04-2002 06:45:01  
I don't know about HP ratings, but I have driven both (Dad used to have an H) and I can tell you this.

At highway speeds (top gear full throttle), I like the N a lot better than the H, especially in turns!

I also use a 6' pull behind bush hog on my N that we used to use on the H. It seems to me that the N does a better job that the H used to. I have also pulled an 8' disk with the N and it had no problems.

Perhaps the larger diameter of the H's rear wheels give it more torque.

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Rick

03-04-2002 08:52:27




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 Re: Re: 8N vs Farmall H in reply to ED-Illinois, 03-04-2002 06:52:06  
The H weighs 3300lbs or so. plus bigger rear wheels.



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ED-Illinois

03-04-2002 09:05:00




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 Re: Re: Re: 8N vs Farmall H in reply to Rick, 03-04-2002 08:52:27  
Yup - 5th gear with the narrow front cruising down the road, heaven forbid you hit a pothole.



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Salmoneye

03-04-2002 06:48:21




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 Re: 8N vs Farmall H in reply to Arne, 03-04-2002 06:45:01  
Size of them back wheels and gearing would be my guess...



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