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Transmission,Differential and Hydraulic oil/Help Dell

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alan/norway ill

03-11-2002 11:48:37




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I'm going to change my oil. The shop manuel calls for Ford M2C 134-D or you can use SAE 90 EP above
32 F. SAE 80 EP gear oil below 32 F. So I just want to make sure that I got the right stuff I brought Pennzoil/Long-Life Heavy duty gear oil
SAE 80W-90. So will it work




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joseph moore

03-11-2002 18:53:12




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 Re: Transmission,Differential and Hydraulic oil/Help Dell in reply to alan/norway illinois, 03-11-2002 11:48:37  
I have a log splitter tied into the 9N pressure line from bottom of transmission--pressure returns to fill cap..would like to know the size of pump that can be driven by rear drive or if there is a kit unit..I do not enough pressure to splitlogs 24inch in diameter. Cylinder on splitter is 3'in length with 3" diameter..accepts 3'logs.



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llamas

03-12-2002 08:54:19




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 Re: Re: Transmission,Differential and Hydraulic oil/Help Dell in reply to joseph moore, 03-11-2002 18:53:12  
As Dell says, the belly pump in an N is a poor candidate to run a log splitter. The flow is too low, and the maximum pressure likewise - and that's true for a pump in brand-new condition. One that is worn and tired - who can say?

In a 3" ram, a stock pump making 1500 psi will make a force of ±10,000 pounds, which is nothing special at all for a log splitter. For that same ram, a stock pump making 2.5 gpm of flow will move the ram at about 1.25 inches per second. A man could get old waiting for that to split anything.

I have a 3-point log splitter with a 3" ram, but it's run by a separate Cessna pump, driven by the PTO, which makes about 15 gpm and 3000 psi. This thing has a simple rule-of-thumb - if I can lift it, it will split it. Suggest you explore hooking your log splitter to a pump like that, or the Prince-style PTO pump which Dell suggests. You'll also be able to upgrade to open-center, double-action working, with automatic reverse.

HTH

llater,

llamas

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Dell (WA)

03-11-2002 21:38:42




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 Re: Re: Transmission,Differential and Hydraulic oil/Help Dell in reply to joseph moore, 03-11-2002 18:53:12  
Joseph..... .FYI...the N-Tractor's internal hydraulic pump is kinda weak sister. Its about 2 1/2 gpm and 1500 psi. I don't know what yer splitter requires. There is a PTO external driven hydraulic pump that outputs about 10 gpm and 2500 psi at $300 plus need an external hydraulic fluid resevour of about 10 gals needed..... ..your$$$..... ..Dell



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joseph moore

03-12-2002 06:05:22




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 Re: Re: Re: Transmission,Differential and Hydraulic oil/Help Dell in reply to Dell (WA), 03-11-2002 21:38:42  
Thank U sincerely appreciate your response, log splitter works fine with other tractors.,for 900. harbor frieght tools has a splitter that will do the job, I may sell mine...as I have loads of 2' diameter logs..my splitter needs 20000psi....I would like to see the kit description if possible a catalogue to see if I can handle it in this area of connecticut hydraulic skilled people do not exist.



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Dell (WA)

03-12-2002 08:23:12




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Transmission,Differential and Hydraulic oil/Help Dell in reply to joseph moore, 03-12-2002 06:05:22  
Joseph..... ..... as I said, the internal pump N-Hydraulics are weak sisters, about 2 1/2 gpm and 1500 psi.

Here is one source for a higher capacity external PTO driven hydraulic pump. You could probably find others by doing web searches.

I'm NOT a hydraulics design engineer, you're on your own. There are books out there that can help you do-it-yourself..... ....Dell

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Joseph Moore

03-12-2002 08:53:19




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Transmission,Differential and Hydraulic oil/Help Dell in reply to Dell (WA), 03-12-2002 08:23:12  
Thanks again, u may not be an engineer but u have enlightened me to the direction I must follow, I have a Nor State Cat. and will get the pto pump and reservoir..when I am settled a donation will follow...your information was priceless.



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Tom-Pa

03-11-2002 12:41:04




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 Re: Transmission,Differential and Hydraulic oil/Help Dell in reply to alan/norway illinois, 03-11-2002 11:48:37  
If you want to stay with the heavier oil, I found that Advance auto parts carries the EP-90 wt oil, straight weight. if your seals are good and not leaking and can stand the thinner oil, go with the 134D spec stuff.
Good luck
Tom-Pa



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Dell (WA)

03-11-2002 12:14:13




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 Re: Transmission,Differential and Hydraulic oil/Help Dell in reply to alan/norway illinois, 03-11-2002 11:48:37  
Alan..... ....I really doubt Pennzoil/Long-Life Heavy duty gear oil SAE 80W-90 meets Ford M2C-134D specs. or for that matter SAE 90 EP above 32 F. SAE 80 EP gear oil below 32 F. The additive package is different to get the 80-90wt rateing. Read the fine print. It will say what specifications the oil does meet.

Some multi-viscosity additives can and do "eat" parts of trannys and pumps.

Please read and understand what frequent N-Board contributor "llamas" has to say about hydro-oil.

I can go to the local Ford/New Holland dealer, the John Deere dealer, the Kabota dealer, Wal-Mart, NAPA parts store and get or order a 5 gal bucket of oil that meets spec M2C-134D. About $25..... .....Dell

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Jim (Ottawa)

03-11-2002 13:50:37




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 Re: Re: Transmission,Differential and Hydraulic oil/Help Dell in reply to Dell (WA), 03-11-2002 12:14:13  
Based on all of the postings, it seems to me that the Ford 134 spec is the best bet if you can get away with it. By that I mean what is the worst that can happen if seals etc are bad? I haven't lived with my 8N long enough to have a good idea of the health of the seals, pump etc but I see no obvious leaks. What can I do to prevent or spot trouble that might come from using the lighter 134 product? I have a wide range of temperatures to deal with, from -20 in the winter to +80 in the summer and would sure like to avoid having to do seasonal changes.

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Scott

03-11-2002 18:09:36




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 Re: Re: Re: Transmission,Differential and Hydraulic oil/Help Dell in reply to Jim (Ottawa), 03-11-2002 13:50:37  
If your worried about leaks only put 4 gallons of oil in which will bring it up to the low mark on dipstick, it puts less oil at the axle seals unless your always on a hill.



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ED-IL

03-11-2002 14:51:31




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 Re: Re: Re: Transmission,Differential and Hydraulic oil/Help Dell in reply to Jim (Ottawa), 03-11-2002 13:50:37  
After reading the posts on this board for going on two years, it seems there is little you can do wrong by choosing the 134 spec fluid. It is after all what the manufacturer recomends.

I have a 1946 2N with a questionable service history. I use the 134 spec and have not had a problem. Here in northern illinois we also go through the temperature changes you speak of, and aside from a leaky shifter boot putting water in my tranny, things have been fine.

Of course, there may come a day when a leak makes itself known by dripping out of one of the seals. I supose that if a seal wears out, the symptoms may show up sooner with a thinner fluid than with a thicker fluid. However, just because the symptoms are delayed, doesn't mean the problem isn't there. If the seals are worn out, they are worn out and will need replacing. But you won't know the seals are bad until the leak happens.

I guess my advice would be to realise that the next fluid change you make will not be your last, and if you don't like the way the 134 works, try a different flavor.

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Jim (Ottawa)

03-12-2002 14:46:59




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Transmission,Differential and Hydraulic oil/Help Dell in reply to ED-IL, 03-11-2002 14:51:31  
Good advice.Thanks



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