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Ease of starting with Magneto and Hand Crank Conversion?

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1943 2N Hand Cr

11-06-2000 04:02:06




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I was told that I could get a FAIRBANKS MORSE drop-in MAGNETO/DISTRIBUTOR to fit a SIDE-MOUNT 8N and eliminate battery, generator, points, starter, etc.

I have had the "curse" of converting from 6 volt to 12 volt and then from 12 volt back to 6 volt and still have problems with points, plugs and condenser.

I was also told that the timming should be set to fire on the "power stroke", if the timming is set to fire on the "compression stroke" the piston could be pushed down before it gets to the top (pre-ignition during compression stroke) and the "hand-cranker" could receive the "back-lash" in front of the tractor. Is this a common problem with "hand-cranked" tractors?

Please help me.

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bg

11-06-2000 19:26:10




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 Re: Ease of starting with Magneto and Hand Crank Conversion? in reply to 1943 2N Hand Cranker, 11-06-2000 04:02:06  
Occam's(Ockham's)Razor cuts again! Don't look for a $10.00 solution when a 10-cent one will do. If the magneto was a superior system(for this application), they would have quit making distibutors long ago. Seems like it would be a lot simpler and cheaper to find out why you have problems with your 6-volt system. What sort of problems do you have with points, condensor, etc?



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norm-wy

11-06-2000 14:04:14




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 Re: Ease of starting with Magneto and Hand Crank Conversion? in reply to 1943 2N Hand Cranker, 11-06-2000 04:02:06  
Hand Cranker
First, not too many years ago you could almost count the number of vehicles without an electric starter by counting the number of casts on wrists and forearms. Cars had a timing retardation feature which N's don't have and which would make the problem even tougher for you. Second, the 6V system as original equipment on the N's is a marvelous and very simple and efficient system which is more than capable of performing up to specs. I have a '50 8N with the 6V system on it and if I keep the N tuned up regularly, it will start with temps down to nearly 30 below and my little baby has to sit out in the open 24/365.
When I read a post about a 12V conversion being undertaken to "make it start easier", "give it more spark" or "spin the starter faster" it's apparent that the person is simply treating the sympton and NOT the problem. Typically the problem is disguised for a short time but then returns with a vengeance. Then, after the expense of the conversion, you end up having to do what should have been done in the first place.
I recommend that you solve the problem first and then if you still want to, do the conversion. Of course by then it won't be necessary. But, as they say, the person picking up the tab gets the last vote. IMHO Good luck with your jewel.

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Rob in Enumclaw

11-06-2000 06:36:56




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 Re: Ease of starting with Magneto and Hand Crank Conversion? in reply to 1943 2N Hand Cranker, 11-06-2000 04:02:06  
As far as magnetos and hand cranking, along with my '47 8N I have a '44 Lindeman John Deere crawler. The crawler is every bit the tractor the 8N is, and much more in many applications, but the only thing I DON'T like about it is that I have to spin the flywheel to start it. I would NEVER remove the electrical starting capability from a tractor. I agree with Claus on the band-aid comments. My 8N is far from pristine in appearance as well as inside the engine, but I've had the original 6V system working very well for quite a few years now. Once you get things straightened out, and you will, you too will experience hours of uninterrupted pleasure behind the wheel. This is certainly the right place for good help.

For what it's worth, and good luck.

Rob

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Claus

11-06-2000 04:59:31




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 Re: Ease of starting with Magneto and Hand Crank Conversion? in reply to 1943 2N Hand Cranker, 11-06-2000 04:02:06  
In the old days, there were a lot of broken arms and other things. Then Bendix invented the self starter although some will say it was Kettering. This was a marvelous invention. You seem to be going through a lot of trouble to bandaid some problem with your electrical system. You need to find out what the problem is.. There is a ton of information in the archives. Retarding the timing will help somewhat with a crank, but sure will not help it to run good especially at higher rpm.

Happy Motoring
Claus

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