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9N 3 point raises very slow

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Russ

11-06-2000 12:18:02




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My 3 point started to raise very slowly recently. I am considering changing the oil in the system. I think I read there is no filter or screen on these systems. Also is there a specific oil I should use and about how much is the capacity. The dip stick on the side the the housing also has two different scales on either side of the dip stick. Which one do I use.




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ZANE

11-06-2000 20:00:40




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 Re: 9N 3 point raises very slow in reply to Russ, 11-06-2000 12:18:02  
If the lift raises very slowly but will hold the load when it gets up after the engine is shut down then the problem is probably in the pump or the oil is too heavy because of cold temperature or contaminated oil too thick with moisture.

BEFORE DOING ANYTHING TO THE LIFT IT SHOULD FIRST BE INSPECTED FOR ANY INTERNAL LEAKAGE. GOOD ADJUSTMENT CAN BE DONE WITH A LEAK IN THE SYSTEM BUT FOR GOOD OPERATION AND IN ORDER TO TAKE FULL ADVANTAGE OF GOING INTO THE LIFT IT SHOULD BE DONE FIRST BEFORE ANYTHING ELSE IS DONE.

I think that you are probably having a combination of problems which is common to the 8N lift. One of the worst offenders is the cam follower pin which is what the position control receives it's input from. The other thing is to look for a leak in the sysyem @ the ram cylinder rings etc and the pressure relief valve. Also there could be a gasket leaking somewhere such as under the ram cylinder where it mates to the lift cover housing.
If you dicide to take the lift off to work on it be sure not to remove any bolt except for the ones around the outsides of the cover. If you should remove a bolt that has fine threads it will be from the inside pattern and you should put it back in the same hole it came from. You can remove them after the cover is on the work bench if it becomes necessary.

You should first take off the right hand inspection plate under the seat on the side of the lift housing.With an implement on the lift start the engine and with the lift in the up position look inside and see if their is oil leaking from the end of the lift ram cylinder.If their is only a slight drip this is normal.If their is a fairly steady stream this may be the trouble.If the oil is coming from somewhere else try to pin point its orign. If you find no appreciable leaks on top in your view then you may have a pressure relief valve leaking. It is located just under the pto shaft on the vertical back of the pump.Sorta shaped like a spark plug and an 11/16" box end wrench fits it. You can check it for leakage by first finding it with the engine off and then with the pump running and with a load and hot put your finger over the end of the relief valve and if it is leaking enough to be a problem you will be able to feel the oil push your finger off the end of the valve slightly.You can check it by washing it up and then soaping it real good with some dishwashing detergent and water and apply air to the end that goes into the pump. If it is leaking you should replace it with a new one. The part # used to be 8N638. Hope this will give you some starting places. Zane in Al.

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WaterBoy, in MI.

11-06-2000 12:44:41




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 Re: 9N 3 point raises very slow in reply to Russ, 11-06-2000 12:18:02  
Russ:

Go down this page to the post by "John T" posted on ll/5. "Sludge in center housing". Tran. and Hyd. use same oil. Just changed mine, it holds Five gallons. be sure to open 3/4" plug first. This gets MOST of the oil out. Ford dealer # is 134. Good Luck..... WaterBoy in MI.



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Timk

11-06-2000 14:19:21




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 Re: Re: 9N 3 point raises very slow in reply to WaterBoy, in MI., 11-06-2000 12:44:41  
I just rebuilt my hydraulic. I don't think I would jump to the conclusion that the slow lift is because of the hydraulic oil. Take a look at the archives on this Board and look for Zane's procedure to diagnose problems with the hydraulics. Follow that procedure and it may be determined that a $35 oil change isn't the answer. I don't disagree about the recomended #134 oil, but my NH dealer is now recomending 85-90 weight, api serv. grade 1, on all of the older N's, and in fact 85-90 works better on mine than the #134 when the oil gets hot. Good advice on the 3/4" plug first ! My $.02

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