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RAJ

03-20-2002 11:44:40




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Just wondering if anyone in the North East farms barley. I was curious of the price for a bale of barley straw. I found some on the net but it seems pretty high (100+/bale). I didn't know if this was a commercialized price. I would like to try a bale or two for my pond to control the algae, they say it works. Any other suggestions for algae control would be appreciated. Thanks




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don b

03-21-2002 09:30:18




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 Re: OT - Barley straw for pond in reply to RAJ, 03-20-2002 11:44:40  
I corrected my problem with fish called Japanese Koi.They start out at about 1.00 ea.They are from the carp family and have kept mine clean for 20 years. don



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SirMatt

03-21-2002 08:57:41




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 Re: OT - Barley straw for pond in reply to RAJ, 03-20-2002 11:44:40  
Try a product called CUTRINE PLUS. It is a copper compound, much like the old copper sulfate treatment. However, unlike copper sulfate it is supposed to work much better in hard water and at a wider temperature range. Comes in 2 forms, liquid for surface type algaes and granular for bottom growing algaes and some rooted plants. Use it early in the season while the water is relatively cool. Keep in mind however that if you have LOTS of algae you CANNOT treat the whole pond at once. The CUTRINE will kill the algae and it will ALL begin to decompose at the same time. The decomposing algae will tie up most of your pond's oxygen and you will have a major fish kill. The product itself is not harmful to fish, animals or humans. However, treat the pond in sections over a period of time to avoid oxygen depletion and fish kills.

Also, I've heard barley straw does work well sometimes but can be harmful in the long run. The algae bloom is the result of too many nutrients in the water (phosphorus and nitrogen primarily). When you add barley straw you are adding yet another source of dead biomatter into the pond. Eventually the decaying barley straw will probably have the reverse effect of what you wnat by simply adding more free nutrients into the water and boosting algae growth in the long run.

I'd check out these web sites:

www. pondboss.com (GREAT resource; I use it more than this board; its a magazine that hosts a neat discussion board almost just like this one for ponds; ALL KINDS OF TOPICS; click on "ASK THE POND BOSS" on the home page for access to the board; it's free and VERY interesting; they have several recent discussions of CUTRINE and algae)Link

www.appliedbiochemists.com (makers of CUTRINE; good pond and pond chemical usage info.)

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Fletch_NC

03-21-2002 04:43:05




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 Re: OT - Barley straw for pond in reply to RAJ, 03-20-2002 11:44:40  
Raj,
I had the same problem in my pond. 1 1/4 acre, full of stunted fish, lots of algae, etc. Drained the pond, cleaned up the silt that had accumulated for at least 50 years, waited 'til it refilled, then re-stocked with Channel cat, hybrid bluegil, 10 grass carp. Had to put in bass last year because I was getting a lot of "wild" minnows that I needed to control.
Also built an aerator with a 2 hp pump that pumps 6000 gph, NO ALGAE last summer, even during the driest year on record in NC. If you're interested in the aerator set up, e-mail for details. I built mine with 2hp pump and valve so I can use pond to water trees and garden for less than 1000, commercial set up with 1/2 hp pump is near 3000.

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Gary

03-20-2002 23:57:42




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 Re: OT - Barley straw for pond in reply to RAJ, 03-20-2002 11:44:40  
How clear is your pond? I had a problem with filimentatious algae(the stuff thats like a million cobwebs)my pond is 6 and a half feet deep and you could see bottom.The hatchery guy told me to fertilize to grow plankton.It clouds up the water so with no sun very little algae.Iwas told to fert.the pond until the plankton was cloudy enough so that you could take a 18 inch stick put a small white bottle cap at 12 inch.When you stick it in your pond you should barely be able to see the cap.you can also contact www.sweetwateraquaculture.com great people.Hope this helps.

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Gary

03-20-2002 23:45:56




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 Re: OT - Barley straw for pond in reply to RAJ, 03-20-2002 11:44:40  
How clear is your pond? I had a problem with filimentatious algae(the stuff thats like a million cobwebs)my pond is 6 and a half feet deep and you could see bottom.The hatchery guy told me to fertilize to grow plankton.It clouds up the water so with no sun very little algae.Iwas told to fert.the pond until the plankton was cloudy enough so that you could take a 18 inch stick put a small white bottle cap at 12 inch.When you stick it in your pond you should barely be able to see the cap.you can also contact www.sweetwateraquaculture.com great people.Hope this helps.

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alan

03-20-2002 17:10:09




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 Re: OT - Barley straw for pond in reply to RAJ, 03-20-2002 11:44:40  
I also looked for barley for my pond and had the same problem. No one around here (western NY)grows the stuff. After looking for about a year, I finally resorted to copper sulfate. I also have grass carp. they do a great job of keeping my weeds down, but don't seem to touch the algae.

Good luck



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RAJ

03-20-2002 14:51:16




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 Re: OT - Barley straw for pond in reply to RAJ, 03-20-2002 11:44:40  
Sorry guys, I should have specified some things. My pond is about a half acre and about 5ft deep in the center. The bales that I was refering to are like the standard square hay bales. The pond is loaded with gills but they only get about 4in long. The algae practically covers the whole pond and seems to grow from the bottom. Last year I added a gallon of Crystal Blue ($40/gal) but it still grew. Thanks again
Russ

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Greg VT

03-20-2002 13:44:36




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 Re: OT - Barley straw for pond in reply to RAJ, 03-20-2002 11:44:40  
The company I work for sells "Barley Balls" which is just a plastic globe with holes in it full of barley straw for treating the algea in ponds. The ball is 10" x 9" and treats ponds from 100 gallons to 2200 gallons. There is a warning in the notes for this product that says too much barley in the pond can cause problems we de-oxygination if there is no waterful or other source of oxygen. Customers report it works great.

Last fall bales of barley around here were going for $3.00 to $7.00 per bale.

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Dave C

03-20-2002 13:15:23




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 Re: OT - Barley straw for pond in reply to RAJ, 03-20-2002 11:44:40  
Never heard of barley to control pond algae - interesting. I have a small farm pond, about 60 feet in diameter. I stocked it with two grass eating carp and they do a great job of controlling the algae. Very natural, no chemicals, no filter, they just eat all the algae and debris that causes it. Here in PA. you'll need a permit for them and then you take the permit to a place that sells them. Mine have been in the pond two years and have grown to about 20 inches. The pond across the street (4 times the size of mine) has carp that are at least 36 inches. They get big, and the kids love to watch them.

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PsRumors

03-20-2002 12:16:57




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 Re: OT - Barley straw for pond in reply to RAJ, 03-20-2002 11:44:40  
I assume you are talking round bales of barley. I work for a company that supplies filters for decorative ponds. One of the filters we produce is a barley filter. It is a normal filter with barley woven in. They say it works great all the way around the eco-system of a pond. We pay about $650 for an entire truckload of barley. We import ours from Canada. Not that it is better but it was the only place we could get the quantity we needed. $100 + a bale seems steep.

Hope this helped

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