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Drat nad the wait and search continues

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9N'er

03-25-2002 11:28:42




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For the 9N restorer and hard to find parts fanatic, my recent ebay foray led to another last minute disapointment.

Went to bed last night thinking I had it. Woke up this morning to check the ebay auction status and make arrangement for that long looked for CM Hall left bucket for the left front light.

All week I waited, and waited, and waited. Sunday night rolls around and it's all I could do not to think about the CM Hall left bucket up for auction. All week it held at one bidder at 5.00.

All week I strategized, and decided to go for broke. Auction due to close at 10:00 PM last night. I place what I thought was a ridiculously high bid to ensure the bucket would be mine. I mean, who would think that one bucket would sell for $100.00? But I placed it at that thinking...at the most 50.00, maybe 75.00 dollars.

NOT!

Woke up this morning at 0430, logged in, and there it was...stunned I saw the note "You have been outbid - early 9N CM Hall light."

Man Ooh man, did that sting... two years of looking, and it the old saying is true...I lived i: ..."ya snooze, ya lose."

Oh well, so it goes...the CM left front bucket search continues...

Should I kick myself? or should I be thankful? Ya got me! ...all I know is that maybe my wife is right she said: "I am one bucket short of a full set" I didn't know if it was an insult or not, I just drank my coffee, and went ouside to look at my 9N and kicked the rubber. 9N'er

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Mark Hendershot

03-25-2002 17:21:16




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 Re: Drat nad the wait and search continues in reply to 9N'er, 03-25-2002 11:28:42  
See if these are the same. Item #171682791 on ebay. Mark H.



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Gaspump

03-25-2002 17:12:26




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 Re: Drat nad the wait and search continues in reply to 9N'er, 03-25-2002 11:28:42  
Why not send a message to the E-Bay member who got the winning bid and ask if he would sell it to you? Not too likely but you never never know unless you ask.



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9n141

03-25-2002 16:11:39




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 Re: Drat nad the wait and search continues in reply to 9N'er, 03-25-2002 11:28:42  
I just looked in orig. 39-44 parts book & I am confused as to what you are looking for??? I have several lights from early tractors incl 39-40. Please give more info & I will check for this part.



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9N'er

03-26-2002 05:21:30




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 Re: Re: Drat nad the wait and search continues in reply to 9n141, 03-25-2002 16:11:39  
tried e-mailing you. rejected address... Here is a description provided from Tyler (MD) and Don B.:

"The 39-42 had Tractor Lite headlights. They were made by the C.M. Hall lamp comapny. They consisted of a left and right front light with the following parts:

* Bucket - 7 1/4" in diameter, * painted bezel, * inside reflector nickel plated, * bulb holder, * bulb (not sealed beam),

* glass lense (with the owrds "CM HAll Lamp Co. Detroit Michigan Tractor Lite")(embossed in the center of the lens),

* and three wire clips to hold the lens in the bezel.

They went to same size light but with a sealed beam in 1943 and used until 1950 model 8N...."

Any help is greatly appreciated. Thank you. tom (9N'er)

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Dave 2N

03-25-2002 14:34:38




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 Re: Drat nad the wait and search continues in reply to 9N'er, 03-25-2002 11:28:42  
9N'er
What's this Hall light? I'm not familiar with this. Tell me a little bit about it; was it an aftermarket thing, what did it look like,... etc. I have some old N lights.



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George Willer

03-25-2002 13:18:47




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 Re: Drat nad the wait and search continues in reply to 9N'er, 03-25-2002 11:28:42  
9N'er,

That's the beautiful thing about auctions...the exhorbitant price you pay is voluntary. You just didn't volunteer high enough. It can be dangerous when two people are both determined to win the item at all cost. Suppose you both set a proxy bid at $300? You really won that one by setting a limit you thought was reasonable.

I recently set a top limit on a tractor that would have required a 6,000 mile round trip to retrieve it...and lost by $3 at the last minute. I set my limit myself, and it wouldn't be any different if I had lost by 3 million. That's how auctions are supposed to work! I became a friend of the winning bidder after the fact.

George Willer

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OKcity8N

03-25-2002 12:28:41




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 Re: Drat nad the wait and search continues in reply to 9N'er, 03-25-2002 11:28:42  
I sure hate to get outbid in the last seconds of an E-bay auction. However, I post a bid based upon what I am willing to pay for the item. I even include what it will cost me to ship it as part of my bidding strategy. If I get outbid, either what I desire to pay for the item isn't high enough or somebody else is a fool for paying more than my bid. Maybe a mixture of both. I do understand your frustration after so long a wait. I have stayed up and watched those final seconds myself on things I really wanted, even when bidding by proxy.

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Mark Hendershot

03-25-2002 12:27:03




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 Re: Drat nad the wait and search continues in reply to 9N'er, 03-25-2002 11:28:42  
Are the Head lights the same on a Golden Jubilee as the 9N ones you are talking about? They did seem to look like the one you were talking about on Ebay. Mark H.



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Gr8Grndaddys8N

03-25-2002 12:24:36




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 Re: Drat nad the wait and search continues in reply to 9N'er, 03-25-2002 11:28:42  
What the heck is a CM Hall whachamacallit? I couldn't help thinking of the old joke: CM Ducks?
MR not ducks. O S M R. C M webbed feet?

Oh well now you got my interest, have you got a pic?



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Dave Smith, You never know

03-25-2002 12:23:58




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 Re: Drat nad the wait and search continues in reply to 9N'er, 03-25-2002 11:28:42  
I put a bid in for a item of $100.50 in the last 20 minits of bidding. I won the bid and got it for $8.50. Go figure? I felt like I stole it. I have also been out bid by 50 cents. But I put a bid of the max I would pay for it. I just sold a radiator for $20 and the guy had to pay $48 for actual shipping.
Dave <*)))><



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ED-IL

03-25-2002 11:45:11




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 Re: Drat nad the wait and search continues in reply to 9N'er, 03-25-2002 11:28:42  
Was it an honest bid or did you get snipered?

I have occasionally come across an auction where the first time I see it, there is maybe 30 minutes left and I outbid the others and win. It makes me feel bad that I look to the other bidders like a thief lurking in the shadows but that was as honest as I could bid.

What I hate is the guy who sneaks in during the last minute and outbids me.

Maybe Ebay needs to get rid of the "watch this item" feature.

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Greg VT Question on this EBAY business

03-25-2002 12:41:13




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 Re: Re: Drat nad the wait and search continues in reply to ED-IL, 03-25-2002 11:45:11  
Will setting up a "proxy bid" get around the snipers. Doesn't that automatically place your bids for you up to the highest amount you are willing to go?



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DaBrow

03-25-2002 18:37:49




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 Re: Re: Re: Drat nad the wait and search continues in reply to Greg VT Question on this EBAY business, 03-25-2002 12:41:13  
YES



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Don (NC)

03-25-2002 13:07:00




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 Re: Re: Re: Drat nad the wait and search continues in reply to Greg VT Question on this EBAY business, 03-25-2002 12:41:13  
Maybe, but if the sniper bid is higher than yours, you lose.

"Sniper" bids are just another bid, just like yours, but placed late in the game. If the other guy wants it more than you, you lose. There's nothing diabolical about it, it's just a bidding strategy. The sniper doesn't want you have another 10 minutes to sit and decide if you really want to bid higher or not. Decide up front how much you are willing to pay and live with it. Many times I've watched something go on a last second bid and kicked myself because I know I would have paid more but was just trying to get the item on the cheap.

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Dave D.

04-03-2002 09:01:57




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Drat nad the wait and search continues in reply to Don (NC), 03-25-2002 13:07:00  
I've been sniped many times on an item I thought I had won. One sniper got me 3 seconds before the auction closed. Really though, the same thing happens at live auctions too. A couple of people are bidding against one another. Finally, one of the two will wear out and stop. There is a pause in the action. The auctioneer call out "Going once, twice,..." and as the gavel is coming down another bidder jumps in. It oftens comes as such a surprise to the guy who thought he won that he reacts too slowly and the new bidder gets the item. After observing the tactic many times, I started using it at live auctions for items I considered underpriced. It works at least 50% of the time. The old saying that a fair price is whatever is agreeable between the buyer and the seller applies here. For online auctions, I just set my proxy bid at what I believe the item is worth. If I get outbid, then I figure that someone else wanted the item more than I did.

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Greg Vt

03-25-2002 13:42:23




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Drat nad the wait and search continues in reply to Don (NC), 03-25-2002 13:07:00  
That's what I thought.
Proxy bid the highest amount you are willing to pay and see what happens. If you don't win it is because someone else was willing to pay more not because they snuck in at the last minute and outbid you.



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Ed Gooding (VA)

03-25-2002 12:19:37




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 Re: Re: Drat nad the wait and search continues in reply to ED-IL, 03-25-2002 11:45:11  
Howdy Ed.

>> What I hate is the guy who sneaks in during the last minute and outbids me.

Maybe Ebay needs to get rid of the "watch this item" feature. <<

It's not just the "watch this item" feature. There are services out there that will submit sniper bids for you, and you specify when (ex: 14 seconds before auction ends). They charge a small fee for this "service." I use one on occasion because it's the only way that I can compete against others who also use them, and I don't have the time to sit in front of my PC at some God-forsaken hour watching herd over my bid.

fwiw..... ..... .Ed
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ED-IL

03-25-2002 12:37:48




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 Re: Re: Re: Drat nad the wait and search continues in reply to Ed Gooding (VA), 03-25-2002 12:19:37  
WHAT!!!!????

How diabolical!

Why hasn't Oliver Stone done a movie about this????

I am serious - that cheeses me off!



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Larry 8N75381

03-25-2002 16:12:01




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Drat nad the wait and search continues in reply to ED-IL, 03-25-2002 12:37:48  
Ed, think of eBay as more like a Poker game
where you don't show the other players your
pair of threes untill the game is over, rather than like the normal farm/estate auctions you
go to with a real auctioneer saying, "Welll
aaalll right now, what am I bid? Do I hear
five, five, five now ten,..... etc."

I wouldn't sell ANY of my train collection
on eBay because of the time limit that cuts
off bidding. As a seller the cut off keeps
two guys from getting auction fever and "going at" each other bidding the item up and up and thus getting the maximum possible.
It's good for the buyer - especially those that don't "telegraph" their max bid by early
bidding.

My $0.02
Larry

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Mark Hendershot

03-25-2002 16:42:04




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Drat nad the wait and search continues in reply to Larry 8N75381, 03-25-2002 16:12:01  
Larry, your trains would do good on Ebay! You would have 1,000s of people looking at them instead of a few. Set a reserve price for the least you would take and see where they go from there. This guy had some old trains he wanted to sell Lionel type and I got him 5 times what he wanted for them on Ebay, nobody wanted them in our town. Mark H.



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Larry 8N75381

03-26-2002 05:43:31




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Drat nad the wait and search continues in reply to Mark Hendershot, 03-25-2002 16:42:04  
Mark,

For a lot of things, like your tractor parts, ebay is OK, things where there are enough being resold that the market value is pretty well known. BUT I have stuff that I have NO IDEA what they are worth. Any guess I made could be off by as much as TEN times - that is a lot!! Besides I belong to TCA (The Train Collectors Asso.) where I have access to over 45,000 members - many of which would have SERIOUS heart palpatations if they could have a chance to bid on some of my stuff. NOW a lot of what I have is fine for ebay, but I was mainly thing of the stuff that was not when I made my comment above.

Regards,
Larry

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Ed Gooding (VA)

03-25-2002 12:40:14




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Drat nad the wait and search continues in reply to ED-IL, 03-25-2002 12:37:48  
>> Why hasn't Oliver Stone done a movie about this???? <<

Martin Sheen refused to play the role of Sniper King.

LOL..... ..... ..Ed
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