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2n ignition has me baffled

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Rich in n minn

11-08-2000 06:45:50




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Hi everyone:
Here we go again. I have had problems in primary ignition after putting in 8v. I put in new 6v and the tractor still runs for 1 to 1/12 hours and then cuts out and quits. Won't restart so put in different coil and she fires right up. Voltage to coil is 6 and 4. Generator is putting out 7 volts with ammeter reading of 4 amps. I have put in 2 coils that were $24 jobs made in Taiwan. Would that be the problem? After it shut down last night, I put in the old coil that I thought got fried with the 8v battery but the old Niehoff coil fired her right up. haven't had chance to run the old baby to see if it still shuts down after an hour. The spark intensity was very weak when it quit running last night. I had put in new points, and condensor also after the 8v episode. New plugs and plug wire ends also. The voltage to the coil when it when it quit running last night was 6v and 4v. With a snow storm raging in N minn and the country voting for Bush or Gore I decided it was a nice distraction to work on the old honey. Any further suggestions anyone?

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Dell (WA)

11-08-2000 09:47:38




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 Re: 2n ignition has me baffled in reply to Rich in n minn, 11-08-2000 06:45:50  
Rich..... ..4 volts at the ignition coil just after it quits indicates you ignition switch is ok.....no gunky ignition switch contacts. The 4 volts indicate you ballast resistor is working correctly. 6 volts indicate your points are opening and closing.

Weak sparkies from your Niehoff coil indicate some of your internal coil windings have been shorted out due to overheating from using 8 volts on it and melting the insulative tar. The reason it started up last night was because the coil and the tar were "cold" (grin).

Unless you were refering to one of your Taiwanise coils, in which case, it was hot from running and the inslulative tar had melted and shorted out some of the coil windings thus causing weak sparkies.

1 1/2 hrs of running time before "failing" on 2 "new" ignition coils could indicate a "bad batch" of coils. I know you won't like this suggestion, but I'd try another seller of N-Tractor ignition coils for a different batch..... ..Dell

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rich

11-08-2000 11:13:55




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 Re: Re: 2n ignition has me baffled in reply to Dell (WA), 11-08-2000 09:47:38  
Dell: This old Neihoff coil that is in there now was running for years in the old 2n until I replaced it 4 years ago. I don't remember if it was bad or not. I did put in a condensor after the recent big bone head mistake of putting the 8v in. Would the condensor have gone bad? I am kind of searching for straws before I go buy another coil. This one will be from a Ford New Holland dealer and I just found out it is $40.

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Dell (WA)

11-08-2000 13:19:53




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 Re: Re: Re: 2n ignition has me baffled in reply to rich, 11-08-2000 11:13:55  
Rich..... ..I thought you had replaced the condensor.

Condensers can go bad 3 different ways. (1) they can "open up" and cause your ignition points to "burn". You've replaced the points. So I tend to discount that idea. (2) they can "short out" and bypass your ignition points and then nuttin' would run. Since the condenser is across your ignition point, if the condenser was shorted, your ignition points would never effectively open and create sparkies. I tend to discount that idea.
(3) condensers can "leak", that is they are only semi-shorted and act like another voltage droping resistor. This would reduce your sparkies and could be time/temp related.

As I explained earlier, its generally eazier to replace them than to have it checked out. Most tune-up places don't bother, they chuck it. If you are really determined, you might find an old timey T-V repair shop and get it electronically tested there. But even there, they'd probably need to know what a good one is like. See most electronic components have "values" printed or color coded on them. Most automotive condensors have "nothing" on them. ..... ...Dell

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Claus

11-08-2000 08:15:00




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 Re: 2n ignition has me baffled in reply to Rich in n minn, 11-08-2000 06:45:50  
Well, as you said...Have'nt had a chance to run the baby.....etc...
So, run and see what happens..
Happy Motoring
Claus



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Timk

11-08-2000 07:27:39




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 Re: 2n ignition has me baffled in reply to Rich in n minn, 11-08-2000 06:45:50  
Ignition switches on the N's are notorious gremlins. Try a new switch or jumper around the old switch next time it won't start. My $ .02.



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rich

11-08-2000 07:41:05




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 Re: Re: 2n ignition has me baffled in reply to Timk, 11-08-2000 07:27:39  
Tim:
When it doesn't start I still get voltage readings at the coil of 6v and 4v when the switch is turned on and I crank the tractor over. If it was a bad switch I am under the impression that I wouldn't have any power at the coil with the switch on. Am I right out there?

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TimK

11-08-2000 08:17:20




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 Re: Re: Re: 2n ignition has me baffled in reply to rich, 11-08-2000 07:41:05  
Yep. Right you are on my switch idea.



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Claus

11-08-2000 08:12:08




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 Re: Re: Re: 2n ignition has me baffled in reply to rich, 11-08-2000 07:41:05  
The usual failure mode of N ignition switches is high resistance due to crud in the switch. The end result of this is reduced voltage at the coil. 4 volts with the points closed is more than engough to run the ignition. So you are right out there.
Happy Motoring
Claus



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