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Break-ins / marking tools

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Russ Nichols

03-29-2002 13:37:12




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I just saw the threads about theft. I was the unlucky victim of a break-in last week. I lost almost all the tools in my shop. When I spoke to the responding deputy, he indicated the best ID to put on a tool is your driver's license number. There can be lots of people with my name, but only one with my driver's license number. SSN is a VERY bad idea.




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Chuck

03-29-2002 21:08:43




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 Re: break-ins / marking tools in reply to Russ Nichols, 03-29-2002 13:37:12  
Here in Stanislaus County, the sheriff's department will issue you a personal ID # that is then sent to law enforcement agencies throughout the country.
They suggest engraving in 2 places; one that's obvious and then one that would hopefully be overlooked. The thinking, of course, would be that the bad guys would grind off the obvious one and think that's it. So far I haven't had to test it. Knock on wood.

Chuck

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Barnstormer

03-29-2002 19:34:20




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 Re: break-ins / marking tools in reply to Russ Nichols, 03-29-2002 13:37:12  
When I needed some extra tools I went to a pawn shop to see what they had. Do you have any idea how many had grind marks on them. But, you are right. Marking is better than nothing.
I still think thieves ought to be treated like cattle rustlers and horse thieves of the 1800 era.
I will volunteer a large oak and I have some nice hay rope.



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Dell (WA)

03-29-2002 14:59:26




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 Re: break-ins / marking tools in reply to Russ Nichols, 03-29-2002 13:37:12  
Russ..... ....my Washington State Drivers license is 12 digits long, which also has my SSN on it. My SSN is only 9.

I have a registered livestock brand but of course, no one knows how to read brands except us ol'cowboys. Is that a lazy "B" or is it on crooked?

I agree, some sort of unique mark for ID is better than nothing..... ...Dell



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Hal/WA

03-30-2002 22:23:43




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 Re: Re: break-ins / marking tools in reply to Dell (WA), 03-29-2002 14:59:26  
Dell, I know the WA State Drivers License number is long, but it is a better idea to use it than the Social Security number. Due to privacy laws, the SS Number is just about impossible for law enforcement to access without a court order, and that takes a long time. Imagine the cop stopping a pickup with the bed full of someone's tools marked with the SS number. The cop senses that the guys in the pickup stole them, but without being able to identify whose they are in a "timely manner" (which means not very long), about all he can do is write a report about the incident and let them go, probably to get rid of the property somewhere. On the other hand, the driver's license number is almost instantly accessible. Long ago police agencies recommended the Social Security number, but then found that that number was about useless. The driver's license number works a lot better.

In my area, pawn shops are required to be licensed and report every pawn or buy to the local police agency. A lot of property is recovered this way, because the pawn shops are required to turn over items that are reported as stolen. But to confirm that they are the right property, at least some of the property must be identifiable, which usually means serial numbers or unique identifying marks. There may be totally honest pawn operators, but in my opinion, most pawn shops would go out of business if they truly never dealt in stolen property. They play the game, perhaps not paying much for property they know or strongly suspect might be stolen, knowing that the police may find out that it is reported stolen and confiscate it. However any pawn shop that accepted property with obviously ground off serial numbers would be really taking a big chance with being charged with a crime. Something similar happened in Spokane a few years ago, and since then the pawn operators have been much more careful.

So use the driver's license number. It might do some good some time if you have a theft. The social security number is better than nothing, but not much.

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