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YesterDell and others' Can U help me understand something?

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9N'er

04-06-2002 13:35:18




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Here are the variables:

* 850 172 OHV Engine
* Gas w/o Stabil in the tank since December.
* Carb settings were not changed...(good idle sets)
* Same spark plugs and gap as I used all last season

With the 6V and point system the engine ran fine. But there was always an intermittent (now, how do I use words to describe an idle sound?) put, putputputt, putt, idle idle idle then put, then rapid fire two or three putts etc. as it idled. It seemed normal, and compression on all four is excellent (110-100 etc), and oil pressure is 55-60 at idle etc. etc. Good solid engine

With the electronic ignition in, and hence the removal of the points, why does the engine NOT misfire or do the putt putt sound at idle that I describe above?

It just seems to be a lot smoother in sound and at idle.

ANy idea why this is the case? I would appreciate knowing why. The electronic ignition, seems to be working just great...but why? 9N'er

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J. Banet - Dads old trick

04-08-2002 00:42:19




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 Re: YesterDell and others' Can U help me understand something? in reply to 9N'er, 04-06-2002 13:35:18  
Another little trick to help your older tractor run smoother is to take the air inlet pipe off & at high rpm's run a little water across the palm of your hand in front of the carb. This will knock any carbon build up off of the valves & cylinder walls. This works better than any cleaner you can buy. We just did this to a 8n that had been sitting for 3 yrs. & it really helped.[let it suck in just enough that it doesn't kill the engine, wait till the rpms. come back & repeat as needed]

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Don, Luling LA

04-06-2002 17:53:02




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 Re: YesterDell and others' Can U help me understand something? in reply to 9N'er, 04-06-2002 13:35:18  
9N'er,
Where did you get the electronic ignition for your tractor, I'm interested myself in converting my 860 and 9N. I have seen kits for the N series but haven't seen a kit for the 000 series. Sounds like the ignition works well, since you got rid of that miss that is pretty common with a points system. I also have that same miss you describe on my 9N and have had that miss on some of my cars with the points system. Electronic is much better at triggering a coil, the only thing bad is that when it goes it just goes out, no running bad to get you looking for bad points, it usually just dies.
Thanks,
Don

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9N'er

04-07-2002 01:22:09




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 Re: Re: YesterDell and others' Can U help me understand something? in reply to Don, Luling LA, 04-06-2002 17:53:02  
Genesee Products. www.geneseeproducts.com

ph: 918-274-8000 (Andy)

worth the effort if you want to go 12V alone, or 12V with electronic, or 6V with electronic.

Easy to follow instructions, all parts complete in the kit including connectors etc. Can purchase alternators at a decent price and mounting bracket to install the alternator.

The best thing; no guesswork with the kit. Stay with a three post solonoid, although was able to use a 4 post solonoid without problem. Any questions, Andy is helpful and easy to reach on the phone.

I'll tellya, the old 850 starts strong without hesitation. For the little bit of effort it required of myself, it was a big difference in starting performance and as indicated idling...less moving parts..

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Don, Luling LA

04-07-2002 04:51:06




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 Re: Re: Re: YesterDell and others' Can U help me understand something? in reply to 9N'er, 04-07-2002 01:22:09  
Thanks for the information. I already have the 12 volt system on both my 9n and 860 so that won't be a problem. I have used similar conversion kits on cars with the points system. I wasn't too impressed some of the kits while some were good. Does the genessee system use an infared light triggered system or the magnetic pickup type of system to trigger the coil. Well I will check out the sight anyway to get some more info.
Thanks again,

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Gene Davis

04-06-2002 15:29:36




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 Re: YesterDell and others' Can U help me understand something? in reply to 9N'er, 04-06-2002 13:35:18  
It's usually called "point bounce or flutter". It is caused by a host of things, among them worn distributor parts, weak contact point springs or some times incomplete combustion of the gas mixture will pop when it gets ignited by the hot muffler temperature Usually more annoying than harmful. Gene



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9N'er

04-06-2002 16:06:37




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 Re: Re: YesterDell and others' Can U help me understand something? in reply to Gene Davis, 04-06-2002 15:29:36  
thanks Gene. I appreciate the insights. tom



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I'm of the opinion.................bg

04-06-2002 14:25:13




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 Re: YesterDell and others' Can U help me understand something? in reply to 9N'er, 04-06-2002 13:35:18  
...that the putt, putt is caused by the wobble of the distributor shaft, or uneven wear to the rubbing-block cam. When you eliminate the rubbing block with the electronic sensor, you get a better spark with no wobble to contend with.



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9N'er let's explore this one a little further bg; ok?

04-06-2002 14:48:34




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 Re: Re: YesterDell and others' Can U help me understand something? in reply to I'm of the opinion.................bg, 04-06-2002 14:25:13  
I did notice that a couple of the contacts inside the distributor cap were worn to excess (reminds me of my old partying days when I was a teen) and uneven. Some were really worn and cut into while other contacts appeared to have normal wear.

"...I had been thinking that..." there was a bent distributor shaft...but how? Does it wear down and the fit becomes loose over time and therefore wobble develops causing uneven wear in the cap?

How do I test for a worn distributor shaft, and I hope it's a simple maintenance item??

But hey, I'lltellya, I'm impressed with the Genesee Products conversion and electronic conversion too. If it helps with that, that's all right by me too.

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bg

04-06-2002 15:06:00




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 Re: Re: Re: YesterDell and others' Can U help me understand something? in reply to 9N'er let's explore this one a little further bg; ok?, 04-06-2002 14:48:34  
When my tractor was running(it's been several years...)it had that putt, putt every so often. In fact most old tractors do. The bushing in the distributor is a bronze sleeve. When I rebuilt mine last winter, I thought that the amount of wear was negligible. My advance mechanism was really worn, so I bought a new shaft, weight set & new bushing. The new bushing and shaft took ALL the free play out.

I suppose if the the advance plate was PERFECTLY balanced, and the rotor cap was perfectly balanced, and the distributor cap was perfectly round, then the wear factor would be reduced and wobble minimized. And, if the rubbing block was perfectly machined and continuously lubricated and the breaker spring was micro-tensioned, and the points were micro-adjusted and the drive gears were perfectly balanced and meshed, and the cam was not worn. etc....
But, these are rather crude machines and a lot of compromises are made for simplicity of manufacture and ease of maintenance. I read where Farmall engineers put a 7-year life projection on their tractors, and would be surprised to see that so many of the things are still going strong after 50-60 years.

Since the electronic ignition removes the friction factor from the ignition system, the wobble factor is also eliminated.

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9N'er

04-06-2002 16:05:46




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: YesterDell and others' Can U help me understand something? in reply to bg, 04-06-2002 15:06:00  
Makes sense to me. :) I get it. Learned something new about distributors. thanks



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9N'er r.e. Dell

04-06-2002 13:43:53




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 Re: YesterDell and others' Can U help me understand something? in reply to 9N'er, 04-06-2002 13:35:18  
Dell, I mean no disrespect with the above name. I caught that name on a rapid scan of some posted notes, and to be honest, I don't know how it was receieved. But nonetheless, I never mean any disrespect to you or any other person on this board. Just want to mention that...ok? My humor, or poking at some people is just my way of ribbing those I like and value. ok? tom



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no offence . . . Dell (WA)

04-06-2002 21:02:11




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 Re: Re: YesterDell and others' Can U help me understand something? in reply to 9N'er r.e. Dell, 04-06-2002 13:43:53  
keeping my head low so it don't get snyped at . . .



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