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Milky transmission oil/ Year of my tractor

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rod johnson

04-13-2002 15:17:29




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This may be obvious to most of you out there, but I am a novice at both tractors and mechanical issues. I believe I have an 9n tractor (3gears forward) I recently replaced the hydraulic/ transmission fluid with reccomended 90 weight mineral oil due to oil being a milky color. Question 1. Cannot find sereal number on the left side of engine block to confirm year of tractor. Any suggestions on other methods of confirmng year? Question 2. I am told oil could be milky white just because of condensation. Should I be concerned it's something else like a cracked block?

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Fast Ed Ohio

04-13-2002 23:43:10




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 Re: milky transmission oil/ Year of my tractor in reply to rod johnson, 04-13-2002 15:17:29  
Rod , replace that shifter boot asp , that is where most of the water is getting in to your system , If you boil it in hot water and kind of turn it inside out it will make it easer to install, you drained all three plugs under tractor when you added 5 gallons of oil ? If not you have to much And it will cause problems big time . Get a repair manual, good luck .



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rod

04-15-2002 19:09:07




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 Re: Re: milky transmission oil/ Year of my tractor in reply to Fast Ed Ohio, 04-13-2002 23:43:10  
Fast Ed. You could very well have saved me from some more grief! I did'nt see the 3rd drain plug until you pointed out there was one. I have not drained it yet. Do I need to replace all the oil again or are the compartments isolated from each other. The 5 gallons of mineral oil cost me 70 bucks and not looking forward to wasting it all!



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Greg (NV)

04-13-2002 16:36:04




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 Re: milky transmission oil/ Year of my tractor in reply to rod johnson, 04-13-2002 15:17:29  
Hi Rod,

As far as the serial number, it should be on the left side of the engine, just under the head. You may have to take a wire brush and clean off the area. I know the 9N I looked at at our fair today was hard to see.

The milky color of your transmission fluid is definately water. Unless the tractor has been sitting for a very long time I doubt whether it is condensation. It's more likly water that has entered the case through the shifter boot. Water from a cracked block would not be able to enter the trans/rear-end housings. Your engine oil would be milky in that instance. However, someone else may have other thoughts. I hope this helps.

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Rod

04-15-2002 19:00:50




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 Re: Re: milky transmission oil/ Year of my tractor in reply to Greg (NV), 04-13-2002 16:36:04  
Thanks Greg for your response! The key was looking for the serial # just below the head, I found it right away.



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raytasch

04-13-2002 16:34:51




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 Re: milky transmission oil/ Year of my tractor in reply to rod johnson, 04-13-2002 15:17:29  
Rod
1. Post the numbers that you get from the axle housing trumpets or any other numbers you find. Someone will decode them for you. Tell us where you find them.

2. I seriously doubt if the oil could ever get enough condensation to turn milky. Lighten up, get contaminated where you can tell there is a problem, yes. Maaaaybe after years of total neglect, no oil changes and running without a thermostat. The engine must get warm and stay warm for a while to boil the moisture out of the oil. It is not uncommon to see the oil filler area coated with white milky looking stuff if the engine never warms up. You mentioned the driveline oil in your first paragraph and then you talk about the block in the last sentence. Are you getting a milky color in both or do I misunderstand? A cracked block could give you milky crankcase oil but not drive train oil. If your drivetrain oil is getting milky after a change of oil you are probably getting water intrusion somewhere; shift boot lift arms, seat mount spring, or control spring shaft. When you changed the drivtrain oil did you remove all three drain plugs? Get all the old oil out?
I am in the deep south and we have a some days where the tractors will sweat to the point of water dripping from them. I have never had any milky looking oil. My tractors all stay under cover.
Some will probably disagree with me about condensation causing milky oil but I just don't think there is enough volume of moisture laden air in a drivetrain area to condense enough water to turn the lubrication milky.
If you have a three speed tranny you have 9N or 2N. Hope this helps.

ray

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Rod

04-15-2002 18:55:34




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 Re: Re: milky transmission oil/ Year of my tractor in reply to raytasch, 04-13-2002 16:34:51  
Thanks Ray for your input! I did determine that I have a 1940 9n. I'm still not sure why my oil is milky, but changed it and am hoping for the best. Thank's again, Rod



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Bill MacPherson

04-13-2002 16:31:37




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 Re: milky transmission oil/ Year of my tractor in reply to rod johnson, 04-13-2002 15:17:29  
Milky Oil in tranny is common ,,usually result of condensation , check shifter boot as well as gasket on filler plug . I,ve got a 1940 9N , took me a couple of weeks to figure it out , where is starter button , if it is on tranny it is a 41 or later , rub some grease onto serial plate then wipe off , that may bring out numbers , they are not stamped very deep , had a heck of time reading mine , also look at shape of PTO cover , fenders , etc , all these indicate various years , try this link---home.att.net/~jmsmith45/identify.htm It has a lot of info on years , good luck and enjoy--Bill

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rod johnson

04-15-2002 18:51:01




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 Re: Re: milky transmission oil/ Year of my tractor in reply to Bill MacPherson, 04-13-2002 16:31:37  
Thanks Bill for the response! I did find my serial number and determined that I have a 1940 9n. Have agood day! Rod



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