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Dooh, I hit my head

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sandico

04-20-2002 17:26:56




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I'm installing a new head gasket on my 48 8N. Had the head shaved, they said they removed .016". So I got the top of the block all shined up, and only because I read about it on this board (it never would have occurred to me) I put the new head w/o gasket on and turned the engine by hand. Of course, something hits. It's the #1 piston, and it lifts the head .009". My first question: The new gasket, when torqued, must be thicker than .009", so I'm still ok, right? 2nd: when removing head nuts, some of the studs came out with the nuts. Looking at the other studs, I could see differing amounts of thread showing. So I just took them all out, some came easier than others. So how do I get them back in, properly torqued (55 ft-lbs?)? I thought of putting on two nuts tightened against each other, but there doesn't appear to be enough thread on the studs. Last: What's the proper torque for the manifold nuts? My new manual is in the mail. Thanks for the assistance. My 4 yr old helper is eager to get back to work.

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Dell (WA)

04-20-2002 18:08:50




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 Re: dooh, I hit my head in reply to sandico, 04-20-2002 17:26:56  
Sandi..... .glad you checked your shaved head for clearances, arn't you?.

Depends upon how desperate you are, but there are numerious engines out there that are running 2 headgaskets.

I'm not certain how thin a single headgasket gets when properly installed. But I'd put some clay or window pucky about the size of a pea on top of every thing that moves and gently crank around with the headgasket in place but not bolted down.

Head studs must be sealed by the shoulder being tight against the block. There is also some good stud-pucky sealant available to use too because some of the studs go into the engine water jacket and leak otherwize.

Eather double nut or capnut your block studs to about 60-65 ft/lbs to seal the stud shoulder into the block. Then torque your cylinder headnuts to 55 ft/lbs in the proper sequence.

My Boeing designers handbook lists brass 7/16 NF with 5/8 hex head at 27 ft/lbs. Caution: most 7/16 nuts are 11/16 hexhead and will not fit the manifold nut space. You can get new 7/16 5/8 hex brass nuts, even at real Ford automobile parts counters..... .....Dell, who sez: get your quality daddy time now with your helper, cuz they're too soon gone.

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Rob

04-20-2002 20:33:03




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 Re: Re: dooh, I hit my head in reply to Dell (WA), 04-20-2002 18:08:50  
Can you get clay in sheets for checking these clearances?



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Dell (WA)

04-20-2002 21:57:59




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 Re: Re: Re: dooh, I hit my head in reply to Rob, 04-20-2002 20:33:03  
Rob..... .....Now why would you want a sheet of clay? You want something that you can compress. So you start with a little ball of clay the size of a pea. Then you examine how thin the clay ball gets squished. That will indicate to you how much clearance you have.

Childrens playdoe, clay, even raw pie crust flour dough. Machine shops constantly use it. I could go down to my tool crib at Boeing and get a stick of it. Its not an uncommon commodity. You just have to know about it and how and when to use it.

Samething with plasti-gauge for checking bearing clearances. Little calibrated strings of soft plastic that gets squeezed when you do a test fitting when putting an engine crankshaft bearings together. The width of the squeezed plastic string tells you how much clearance your bearings have. This is something that the parts houses have on the back shelf and not hanging out on the checkout counter. You just gotta know about it..... .....Dell

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Rob

04-21-2002 03:31:40




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: dooh, I hit my head in reply to Dell (WA), 04-20-2002 21:57:59  
Oh, I use plastigage.
I thought I saw somewhere that you could get clay in calibrated sheets or tape. You cover the area on the top of the piston and check clearance all around. End up knowing not only that you have clearence but how much or at least that you have some minimum. I've never had call to use it or ask the parts guy about it.
If there is such a thing, it's cheap and available like plastigage, you're putting a shaved head on an N then it's something a guy should use.
If they ain't got it they should! :)

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Dave Smith

04-20-2002 17:51:40




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 Re: dooh, I hit my head in reply to sandico, 04-20-2002 17:26:56  
sandico, .009 with everything cold. What would it be with it hot? I was told if it was .003 to either change the head or try two gaskets. You could grind some more clearance with a dye grinder or Dremmel. Good luck. You could install it torqued down with one gasket and put a small ball of play doe on the valves and piston and turn it over slow then remove it again and see how much clearance you have. Get all new head bolts. They are not expensive and chase the threads in the block. Install the head bolts with a little teflon pipe dope. They go into the water jacket.
Dave <*)))><

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