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51, 8N, Lift sticking up with heavier loads?

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Norman Dale

05-01-2002 20:55:44




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I have used an 8N for 40 years, but this latest problem with mine is a new one on me. IF I lift a heavy load like a pallet of bricks with a fork lift attatchment on my 8N the lift doesn't want to set it back down. I lower the control arm by the seat and nothing happens. If I lift the control arm all the way up, and then down, it drops the load and spills the bricks. Not amusing!

Any Idea's.

Dell????

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Rob

05-02-2002 05:16:17




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 Re: 51, 8N, Lift sticking up with heavier loads? in reply to Norman Dale, 05-01-2002 20:55:44  
That's great stuff from Zane. Something to the point of failing to lower is the exhaust control valve is sticking closed, exhaust oil passage is plugged, or the mechanical control linkage is broken or binding. Proper movement of the valve and linkage can be checked from by removing the right side inspection cover. If you can't see the problem and the Zane stuff (pay attention to the check valve) doesn't tell you then remove the hydraulic unit and inspect for plugged exhaust oil passage. Sounds like you have valve or linkage problem because it's not all the time. Bet a quarter its binding linkage.
That's the book on Fails to Lower.

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1 year ago Zane said... Steve IA

05-02-2002 03:53:16




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 Re: 51, 8N, Lift sticking up with heavier loads? in reply to Norman Dale, 05-01-2002 20:55:44  
From the archives:
Posted by ZANE on May 02, 2001 at 03:39:05 from (152.163.201.197):

In Reply to: HYDRAULICS STUCK ON 8N-----PLEASE HELP!!! posted by Old8Ner on May 01, 2001 at 21:11:48:

You have a sticking control valve.

This can be a combination of problems.

The first thing that can cause it to stick is dirty oil. The N hydraulics has no filter system and any and all foriegn material that enters the differential, transmission or the lift settles in the lower reaches of the lift. Unfortunately that is the home of the control valve and oil intake too.

The best thing to do to remedy this dirty problem is to pull the pump out of the tractor and clean it. The other thing you can do is to drain all three places and rince the lift out with 5 gallons of kerosene. Pour it in as fast as you can through the inspection hole. Allow it to settle for a while and then pour it through again leaving the residue in the bottom of the container and discarding it. Do this untill no residue is in the bottom of the catch container.

Add new oil.

If you do take the pump out you should take the control valve and spring out of the pump and inspect the control valve for any wear patterns that might make it want to stick. The control valve can be polished by turning it in some wet or dry 300 grit sandpaper to smooth out any imperfections. This will make the vavle fit a little looser in it's bushing but if you don't get too carried away at it the difference in size will be inconsequential.

The return spring that pushes the control valve back to the unload position can break or become weak from age and fatigue. Make sure it has enough tension to do a good job of pushing the valve back. If it is too weak the valve will not come back to the unload position with a heavy load on the lift no matter how clean or good fitting the valve is.

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uh . . . Dell

05-02-2002 01:27:08




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 Re: 51, 8N, Lift sticking up with heavier loads? in reply to Norman Dale, 05-01-2002 20:55:44  
Norman..... ..Please read what Zane posted 6 entrys below to Tom. Its more better than I could even begin to guess..... ..Dell

Zane sez:

BEFORE DOING ANYTHING TO THE LIFT IT SHOULD FIRST BE INSPECTED FOR ANY INTERNAL LEAKAGE. GOOD ADJUSTMENT CAN BE DONE WITH A LEAK IN THE SYSTEM BUT FOR GOOD OPERATION AND IN ORDER TO TAKE FULL ADVANTAGE OF GOING INTO THE LIFT IT SHOULD BE DONE FIRST BEFORE ANYTHING ELSE IS DONE.

BE SURE THAT THE LIFT IS FULL OF OIL.

BE SURE THAT THE PTO IS ENGAGED UNLESS YOU HAVE ONE OF MY LIVE HYDRAULIC DEVICES.

I think that you are probably having a combination of problems which is common to the 8N lift. One of the worst offenders is the cam follower pin which is what the position control receives it's input from.

The other thing is to look for a leak in the system @ the ram cylinder rings etc and the pressure relief valve. Also there could be a gasket leaking somewhere such as under the ram cylinder where it mates to the lift cover housing.
If you decide to take the lift off to work on it be sure not to remove any bolt except for the ones around the outsides of the cover. If you should remove a bolt that has fine threads it will be from the inside pattern and you should put it back in the same hole it came from. You can remove them after the cover is on the work bench if it becomes necessary.

You should first take off the right hand inspection plate under the seat on the side of the lift housing. With an implement on the lift start the engine and with the lift in the up position look inside and see if their is oil leaking from the end of the lift ram cylinder. If their is only a slight drip this is normal. If their is a fairly steady stream this may be the trouble. If the oil is coming from somewhere else try to pin point its origin. If you find no appreciable leaks on top in your view then you may have a pressure relief valve leaking. It is located just under the pto shaft on the vertical back of the pump .Sorta shaped like a spark plug and an 11/16" box end wrench fits it. You can check it for leakage by first finding it with the engine off and then with the pump running and with a load and hot put your finger over the end of the relief valve and if it is leaking enough to be a problem you will be able to feel the oil push your finger off the end of the valve slightly. You can check it by washing it up and then soaping it real good with some dishwashing detergent and water and apply air to the end that goes into the pump. If it is leaking you should replace it with a new one. The part # used to be 8N638. Hope this will give you some starting places.

If the lift does not lift to the top of it’s travel when the touch control handle is raise all the way up then you have linkage problems. Wear and or abuse can bend and wear parts of the linkage to cause this condition.

If the lift needs to be adjusted you will need instructions and a jig to allow you to do the adjustments.

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