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Setting dwell on the front mount distributor?

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Babalouie

05-07-2002 20:20:55




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I'm doing a tune up to my 49 8N with the front mounted distributor. I've set the point gap and timing according to the I&T FO-4 book, but I remember from doing cars long ago that using a dwell meter was a much more precise way of setting the gap. My dwell meter has instructions that show how to hook it up to a standard automotive coil, but I'm at a loss about using it on the 8N seeing that it has only one small gauge wire running to it. My tractor has been converted to 12 volt and has a 12 volt coil on it. If it matters I don't have a terminal block or use the 8N starter button but have an automotive switch with 3 poles on the back (ign. acc. bat.) Can anyone tell me how my dwell meter should be connected?

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uh, sorry . . . Dell (WA)

05-08-2002 01:23:19




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 Re: Setting dwell on the front mount distributor? in reply to Babalouie, 05-07-2002 20:20:55  
Sorry, you can not set/measure frontmount distributor points dwell because you can not get your meter on the distributor points wire which is hidden underneath the square ignition coil that sits ontop of the distributor.

Of course, if you could find one of those $$$ specialized electronic oscilloscopes designed for engine tuneup, you could convert the TV sparkies trace to somesort of meaningfull dwell reading because it will read off the single coil terminal. You just can't use a dwell meter because it has to go across the two coil terminals.

And even if you were ingenious enough to figgure out how to get to the points inside the distributor by taking your frontcap off, I don't think you could adjust the point gap with the distributor in place because you'd probably find the radiator fanblades in the way.

Its just so much eazier just to unbolt the frontmount distributor and set the points gap and timing on your workbench. And if I remember correctly, the points dwell is really about 50% or 45 degs. And in all honesty, thats just about all the time that the coil can stand current flow before the insulative tar starts to melt and short out some of the primary windings and start getting weak sparkies.

The dwell meter reads the amount of time the points are closed in degrees of shaft rotation. Dwell meter took the skill out of carefully inserting a greesy feeler gauge between mis-aligned and pitted points.

Generally speaking, most ignition points should be closed about 2/3 of the rotation. That means for a 4 cylinder 4 lobe (90 degs) distributor shaft, the points (dwell) are closed about 60 degs of dwell. and a 6 cyl will be about 45 degs dwell and V-8's will be about 30 degs.

I always set my points dwell on the wide side of tolarance...ie... 55-60 degs, set for 55 degs and as the points rubbing block wears, and the gap closes, the dwell will change to 60 degs..... ....HTH, Dell

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Ken in PA

05-07-2002 20:39:37




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 Re: Setting dwell on the front mount distributor? in reply to Babalouie, 05-07-2002 20:20:55  
I can't answer your question but I can ask you one.

What would you even set it to? Is there a spec for dwell or just a gap spec?

The last thing I dwelled had a little door in the cap and you could adjust it while it was running. Then one day my dwell meter died and I was actually never too worried about getting a new one!

I bet Dell can answer this one better.

Ken



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Levnick

05-08-2002 04:52:51




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 Re: Re: Setting dwell on the front mount distributor? in reply to Ken in PA, 05-07-2002 20:39:37  
To set basic dwell. remove distributor, set 6" rule across cam lobes on drive and set to hole in casting .FULL details in 8N manual. Reinstall start engine try acceleration . If it is to late /early move slide on side of distributor..DONE



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Mark Hendershot

05-07-2002 21:48:44




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 Re: Re: Setting dwell on the front mount distributor? in reply to Ken in PA, 05-07-2002 20:39:37  
The Dwell is the duration in degs the points are held open. The gap is just that the gap the points are set at. Now if you have a dwell spec you can see if the distributer lobe is worn or if there is a wobble in the shaft while running. You should just be able to attach the dwell meter on the coil input from the points if you can get to it. But I don't remember for sure on the front mount the point wire connection is inside of the distributer. If you had a external mount coil it would be on the grounding side to the points you would hook it onto. But I belive there is only one wire on the front mount showing from the out side (just checked one wire). So you would have to remove the dist cap to get to it and of course it could not run so you could not check it. I sure hope this is the way it is because I just put my foot in my mouth if it isn't. Haven't had to do much to my 9N front mount yet and the Ferguson is a side mount. Mark H.

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