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rick

05-28-2002 19:12:13

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i just got a ford 8N not sure of year, am going to get vin tomorrow, since i just found this site. it has a front loader, full hydraulic, not trip, a 'backhoe bucket, fork-lift type forks that attach to the bucket, and a 48" bushhog.also came with original lights(removed for front loader), and set of tire chains, and front grille guard. sheet metal is real, real good, everything works great, just need paint. i got $2500 in it. am i ok?? the front loader is made with about 3" round tubing, and the hydraulic fluid is contained right inside of the loader tubes. big question---the rear hydraulics/bushhog leaks down when i push in on clutch. is this normal? or what do i need to go to work on? there is a 'full-time' hydraulic pump mounted in front of the grill that apparently has been added by ??? whomever, that operates the front loader and bucket. therefore, i have loader all the time, but when i go to backup or whatever, the bushhog has leaked off and digs in. is there some way off locking the rear hydraulics in an 'up' poasition? i ain't dumb-really!, just ain't never been around many tractors. info, is appreciated.

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Evil Steve

05-29-2002 07:52:13

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Re: new 8n owner with lots of questions in reply to rick, 05-28-2002 19:12:13

Good deal? Yes, sounds like you did a lot better than most.

Clutch disengages the PTO that drives your hydraulics. Remeber you need to have the position control lever (that 3# lever under your seat) in the vertical position to fully raise implements. Your "bleed down" problem: first check level of/change your hyd fluid. Condensation and water infiltration is common on these tractors and can cause false hyd pump performance problems. Takes 5 gal of 134d from your New Holland dealer.

If not hyd fluid, then bleed down is either a leaky hyd exhaust valve, leaky ram cylinder, faulty relief vavle or combo of all. Repair takes about 1-2 full days depending on your mechanical ability and problems with frozen bolts, scored cylinder walls etc. Parts are cheap and readily available.

Two suggestions since you are new to these tractors: get Ford I&T 04 manual and since you may be rebuilding your hyds, also get the hyd repair video (both available on this and other sites.

Best of luck and congrats on your new family member.

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Jack - Illinois - loader

05-29-2002 07:20:57

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Re: new 8n owner with lots of questions in reply to rick, 05-28-2002 19:12:13

As to brand of loader - sounds like a Wagner. Check on the right side above the hydraulic valve for a name plate. My Wagner also has their name molded into the valve housing.

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rick

05-30-2002 19:31:19

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Re: Re: new 8n owner with lots of questions in reply to Jack - Illinois - loader, 05-29-2002 07:20:57

man, you guys are great. i like this place !! i brushed off some of the brushed-on barn paint on the loader, and it is a WAGNER. only number i can make out on the model is a '4'. i'm going to try and cut some brush in a few days, and then tear into the hydraulic system. am going to wait til winter and do a complete resto. i'm trying to de-cifer the vin.# it's 8N18887 and then it looks like a 9 at the end, but the 9 looks more like somebody tried to engrave it on the block, doesn't look like a factory stamp like the other numbers ---?????so either 8N188879 OR 8N18887

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Bryan (CA)

05-31-2002 17:01:46

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Re: Re: Re: new 8n owner with lots of questions in reply to rick, 05-30-2002 19:31:19

That would make it either a '49 (8N188879) or a early '47 (8N18887) Check Smith's site to see what features were added between '47 and '49. Also check the casting stamps on the trumpets. If I remember right it should be something like A299 where A is January, 29 is 29th day, and 9 is '49.

HTH

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don t. - 9n180179....Hope you've got an ORC for your hog.

05-29-2002 05:29:51

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Re: new 8n owner with lots of questions in reply to rick, 05-28-2002 19:12:13

LOTS of info in the archives on this topic. The force of the hog can push your 'N' even tho the clutch is in. Couldn't believe the difference, and much safer. Be safe & have fun w/your toy.

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darin

05-28-2002 21:19:52

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Re: new 8n owner with lots of questions in reply to rick, 05-28-2002 19:12:13

I have an 8N that had the same problem.
Is all I did was repalce the saftey pressure relief vavle on the pump and it solved the problem. I checked it by putting my finger over the valve when the implement was leaking down with the lever in the up position. that is the only place it was leaking not a real safe way to check it but it worked. They are easy to replace and doesn't involve dropping the pump if you are familiar with the pump

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rick whitaker

05-28-2002 20:05:17

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Re: new 8n owner with lots of questions in reply to rick, 05-28-2002 19:12:13

i'm probably going to go ahead and o/haul the hydraulics. are the parts easily available? and where at? yep, i been just taking the hog off to fo front loader work, but i got a 2 acre field to hog and some dirt to move at same time, so i'll need both. also, any place i can find out what kind of front loader this is? can't find a name anywhere. might just save for a winter restoration project ?? too much fun right now !! haha

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Ken in PA

05-28-2002 19:56:21

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Re: new 8n owner with lots of questions in reply to rick, 05-28-2002 19:12:13

Yeah, what he said!

For the time being a chain to keep the hog raised would buy you some time untill you can get around to fixing the cylinder.

If I wasn't going to use the how for a while I think I would just take it off untill I needed it. I've never run a loader on an N but I think having the hog out of the way would be one less thing to worry about as long as you still have enough rear weight for the loader.

Just ask the questions, you will get lots of help from this board and you can also search the archives for info.

Good luck and welcome,
Ken

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alan

05-28-2002 19:39:06

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Re: new 8n owner with lots of questions in reply to rick, 05-28-2002 19:12:13

Your brushog is lifted by a 3 point hitch that has internal hydraulics (different from the pump that runs your loader) The 3 pt hitch hydraulic pump is located inside the rear housing, under your seat. This pump runs off of the PTO shaft. Whenever you step on the clutch, you disengage the PTO, the pump stops, and your mower drops.

Sounds like your 3 pt lift cylinder is leaking, causing your implement to drop when the pump is disengaged.

You could try installing limiter chains to keep the mower from dropping too low.....or could look into repairing the 3pt cylinder. A newer rubber o-ring with leather back-up gasket is available which will replace your old metal ring seals on the lift cylinder. The o-ring and gasket will give you a better seal, and keep the implement from dropping so quickly.

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