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Richie MaGoo

06-12-2002 17:36:28




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To capitalize on the previous post on this board about haying:

How did they hay in the old days? I'm a poor boy originally from the city....so I dont have the money for all kinds of implements- or the patience to endlessly tinker with retched old balers, yet I'd like to produce my own hay. So lets say I want to grow hay on 5 acres of my land- what is an alternative way to the mower/baler route?

Can I cut it with my bushog? The one implement I could spring for would be a cheap old rake. So if I rake it up with the tractor, what are the alternatives to baling? How about the old fashioned haystack (and how would that fare in a windy area?)

There must be an economical way to do small-scale haying!

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2NTim

06-13-2002 08:30:54




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 Re: Alternative Haying in reply to Richie MaGoo, 06-12-2002 17:36:28  
We found a guy with all the equipment...he does our hay for $.75/bale. Last year we took a single cutting of 750 bales of great horse hay. Then we sold some of it off for about $2.00/bale. Ours ended up being free.

Some day it would be nice to have all the equip and do it ourselves...but it's hard to justify when you can find a deal like this.



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Arne

06-13-2002 09:03:44




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 Re: Re: Alternative Haying in reply to 2NTim, 06-13-2002 08:30:54  
>Some day it would be nice to have all the equip and do it ourselves...but it's hard to justify when you can find a deal like this.

Boy howdy! Got yourself covered and no equip headaches. :-)



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Arne

06-13-2002 07:53:09




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 Re: Alternative Haying in reply to Richie MaGoo, 06-12-2002 17:36:28  
You can put your hay up loose. Very inefficient and tons of work. Both putting it up and feeding it.

My baler cost $500 ($300 cost and $200 in parts) Got my mower for free, put $125 into it. Old side delivery rakes can be found cheap, like less than $50. Just grease 'em and they keep working. I bought a Ferguson PTO rake at an auction for $275. Alfalfa hay cost $100 / ton around here. With the water and power situation here in the west it will only go up from there. Two years ago it was only $60 / ton. I have only 2.5 acres of hay, but am on track to produce 5+ tons / acre (probably going to be more like 6+). You can see I will recover my investment pretty quickly. Plus I hay for neighbors. Some get charged some don't. ;-)

Different methods make better sense in different areas though. Good luck with what ever you decide to do.

Arne

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Al (NC)

06-13-2002 06:26:19




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 Re: Alternative Haying in reply to Richie MaGoo, 06-12-2002 17:36:28  
When I had a small place in Ca. I cross fenced and rotated the cattle on it.



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bg

06-12-2002 23:05:43




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 Re: Alternative Haying in reply to Richie MaGoo, 06-12-2002 17:36:28  
Making hay is more than cutting and baling grass. We used to bale 15-20,000 bales of timothy/alfalfa horse hay each summer. You need to cut the hay at the right time for maximum nutrition. You need the proper length for easier baling. Some old-timers still use sickle-bar mowers, which makes a pretty field with all the grass lying down flat. You can also use a disk mower. What you don't want is clumps of soggy grass. You need to condition the hay with a conditioner or at least rake it properly so that it will dry. I like a conditioner(there's also a cut-ditioner.) so that it crushes the stems to make the hay more palatable and nutritious, while helping it dry faster. There's an old saying:"Make hay while the sun shines." You don't want cut hay to get wet. You have to let the hay dry down to a proper moisture content for good nutrition and storage so as to prevent mold and spontaneous combustion due to "hot spots" inside bales. It's also tough on a baler and the bale handlers to wrestle really wet bales. With the new large-scale balers(round and square bales) the toting and throwing chores are nearly gone. I think every kid in America should have to bale hay(60-75-100 lb tied bales)at least one summer before graduating high school. It builds character.

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tim[in]

06-12-2002 22:12:36




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 Re: Alternative Haying in reply to Richie MaGoo, 06-12-2002 17:36:28  
there is one more simple option called a buck rake. basically a loader with a big hay fork on the bucket .you drive it down the windrow and scopp up the hay and then drive it to where you are going to stack the hay , either outside or in. if outside you set a tall pole in the ground like a tall fence post. then stack the hay around it . this way when the animals eat into it, instead of it falling over and maybe smothering an animal ,it just slides down the pole.some also set a length of woven fence or snow fence around the pole to shape the outside of the stack. if you do not have a loader to mount he buck rake bucket on ; then there were numerous ways of rigging cables to lift the bucket,creating your own loader. i used to custom bale fields as small as one acre. but got tired of people not wanting to pay minimum fea for small acreages. but if you help a custom baler some where stacking bales or raking the hay for them , i'm sure one will help you out. 4-5 acres wasnt a bad sized field in my book. the inclines are still around and in good shape too. but the buck rake system is a good one man operation that does not require someone on a wagon forking the hay around like the incline loader does. check online . there should be some instructions for building a buck rake . to see a picture look under things like. small farm journal featuring practical horse farming, buckrakes,etc, this is the cheapest , simplest, and most practical way to harvest hay fields over a half acre in size . good luck

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Poppin' Johnny

06-12-2002 20:26:10




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 Re: Alternative Haying in reply to Richie MaGoo, 06-12-2002 17:36:28  
What about a wagon hay loader? Those slanted things behind a wagon. I'm sure someone else here could tell you more about them.



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Richie MaGoo

06-12-2002 20:31:47




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 Re: Re: Alternative Haying in reply to Poppin' Johnny, 06-12-2002 20:26:10  
Now that's poppin', Johnny!

Never heard of such a contraption.....sounds interesting..... would like to know more.....anybody?



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Ultradog MN

06-12-2002 18:07:33




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 Re: Alternative Haying in reply to Richie MaGoo, 06-12-2002 17:36:28  
We moved back on the farm when I was about 15. The old Allis B was still there. So was an old dump rake.
Dad found a JD horse drawn mower somewhere and we fixed it up. The two of us put up about 10 acres of hay that way. Get yourself a good 3 tined
hay fork and some kind of a trailer. Did that for 2 years. It was hard work. Sometimes I look at all the people spending their money at fancy health clubs to keep in shape and think that the old ways weren't so bad.
Kept this mischevious 15 YO out of trouble too.
You can do it.
Good luck

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Mike in Houston

06-12-2002 17:55:34




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 Re: Alternative Haying in reply to Richie MaGoo, 06-12-2002 17:36:28  
Richie,
A way people get it done for free around Houston is have someone who does hay all the time and split the hay with him. Most of the guys will go for that. Do you have more that 5 acres you can use for hay? You would need more room than that to make it worth someone's effort.
Just a thought.



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Richie MaGoo

06-12-2002 19:26:41




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 Re: Re: Alternative Haying in reply to Mike in Houston, 06-12-2002 17:55:34  
Thanks, Ultradog and Mike-

Ultra: Yeah....not only do the old ways promote "clean living", but I look around at all the farmers and farmer wanna-be's who have all sorts of expensive equipment.....and a job in town to pay for them (the farming doesn't seem to pay well enough to justify such equipment)and I'm suddenly happy to get out there with some simple hand tools and muscles! Guess I'll just have to learn how to make a good haystack!(you can store hay outside in a haystack? Right?)

Mike: I've heard people advertising to cut hay on shares- but you confirmed my suspicions that they wouldn't be interested in just 5 acres. I have 27 acres total- about 7 is woods..... and when I get going, the rest will pretty much be used for other things. Plus, I kinda like the idea of being self-sufficient. If I had more land though, that'd be an option to consider.

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