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8n Thermostat--Is it needed?

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Pat D

06-13-2002 10:00:23




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I am in the process of restoring a late 1952 8N. It was running when I got it but I don't know at what temp. There is no thermostat. Do I need one? How do I hook up a temp guage to monitor engine temp. There wasn't one on this model.




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Don

06-13-2002 11:38:47




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 Re: 8n Thermostat--Is it needed? in reply to Pat D, 06-13-2002 10:00:23  
YES!



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Don (NC)

06-13-2002 10:53:02




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 Re: 8n Thermostat--Is it needed? in reply to Pat D, 06-13-2002 10:00:23  
The concensus seems to be that a temp gauge is not needed, given that the cooling system is over-engineered and therefore the N's tend to run cool. But if you want to put one on, do a search in the archives for "temperature gauge" and you will find all you need to know about the various options for mounting one.



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ED-IL

06-13-2002 10:52:04




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 Re: 8n Thermostat--Is it needed? in reply to Pat D, 06-13-2002 10:00:23  
Just put a thermostat back in my 2N and the difference is noticeable, especially the not having to clean up the boiled over anti-freeze from the garage floor.

With the 8N having higher compression, I would imagine you probably want a thermostat installed.

As far as the thermostat, there is a good deal of info in the archives - you can do a search from the message board page.



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Terry Alexander

06-13-2002 11:56:02




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 Re: Re: 8n Thermostat--Is it needed? in reply to ED-IL, 06-13-2002 10:52:04  
You state: "....especially the not having to clean up the boiled over anti-freeze from the garage floor.".

Someone please correct me if I am wrong.

The presence of a thermostat would not prevent the anti-freeze from boiling over. Once the temperature got hot enough, then the thermostat would open up letting as much circulation through as possible. Thus....same as not having one.



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ed-illinois

06-13-2002 12:16:35




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 Re: Re: Re: 8n Thermostat--Is it needed? in reply to Terry Alexander, 06-13-2002 11:56:02  
Actually, the way it was explained to me, not having a thermostat is not the same as having one.

Picture if you will the game we played as kids when we would pass our fingers through a candle flame. It doesn't hurt if you do it quick since the skin cools off between passes. Keep passing your finger though that flame and after a while you skin will burn.

Now, if the coolant is always flowing though the engine and not given time to cool off in the radiator, it will get hotter and hotter and hotter. With a thermostat in place, fluid is allowed to cool in the radiator, then cyled out into the engine once the engine fluid is hot.

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Dave Smith, Ed is correct

06-13-2002 14:54:18




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: 8n Thermostat--Is it needed? in reply to ed-illinois, 06-13-2002 12:16:35  
In the old Ford stock cars cooling was a problem. The racers would take out the thermostat and tac weld washers in the head outlets to slow the water down. They were also known to remove some of the fins off the pumps to slow it down.
Dave <*)))><



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alan

06-13-2002 14:14:39




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: 8n Thermostat--Is it needed? in reply to ed-illinois, 06-13-2002 12:16:35  
Actually..... the rate of heat transfer from the engine to the cooling fluid will always remain pretty constant once the engine is warmed up. Heat transfer rate (Btuh)is directly related to the rate of flow of the coolant and the temperature difference of the coolant.

Q=1.08 x gpm x (Tcoolant in -Tcoolant out)

Therefore, whether you continuosly cycle the radiator fluid without a thermostat....or vary the rate of flow with the thermostat installed, the heat rejection into the radiator will remain constant.

The only difference is that the themostat maintains the lower limit of the radiator fluid (Tcoolant out) at the recommended temperature for efficient operation of the engine.

good lord, I sound like a geek.

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ED-IL

06-14-2002 06:36:52




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 8n Thermostat--Is it needed? in reply to alan, 06-13-2002 14:14:39  
I am certainly not an expert, but what does pressurizing the fluid do to the equasion? If memory serves, the hottest I can get water to is boiling, then it becomes steam. However, if I increase atmospheric pressure (like in a pressure cooker) then I can get water to a higher temerature before it boils.



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Jet9N

06-13-2002 16:52:37




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 8n Thermostat--Is it needed? in reply to alan, 06-13-2002 14:14:39  
Don't worry about sounding like a geek. You gave the best explanation of the heat tranfer action
by far.

Jet



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MikeC

06-13-2002 10:46:44




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 Re: 8n Thermostat--Is it needed? in reply to Pat D, 06-13-2002 10:00:23  
I would always keep a thermostat in mine. Engines were designed to run in a certain temperature range to burn off deposits and by-products. The problem with the N is usually not overheating, but rather not running warm enough to burn these off without a thermostat.



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Pat D

06-14-2002 09:36:34




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 Re: Re: 8n Thermostat--Is it needed? in reply to MikeC, 06-13-2002 10:46:44  
Thank you for all of your responses. This really makes it easy on a rookie. I can at least make an educated decision now. Keep your eyes on me guys, I am going to have a lot more questions



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