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12 volr conversion kit

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8nlover

06-17-2002 17:19:49




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Just purchased a 12 volt conversion kit off ebay. Has anyone bought this setup?>Link

It>Link has a 12 volt coil, will i need to install a resistor with this setup? After reading many posts on here about converting to 12 volts, it is my understanding that if a 12 volt coil is used no resistor is needed... Since it is a comversion kit i would assume all parts are included(besides battery) to make it work.

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This bickering reminds me.........

06-18-2002 14:56:02




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 Re: 12 volr conversion kit in reply to 8nlover, 06-17-2002 17:19:49  
of the joke : What do you tell a woman with two black eyes? Nothing. You've already tried twice. For the time i've been here on this forum I have learned: (1)If Dell answers a ? about electrical problems he is usually right. Why ask why if you don't understand, anymore explaination ain't gonna help. Just do it and be happy. Or not do it and keep whining cause the coil shorts out every two days. Yes, Dell has his own way of explaining something. What's new? Give him a break. Read and learn. Then next time ya'll can 'splain it better.

JimNC

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LMAO over that joke!!! - Evil Steve

06-19-2002 09:28:48




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 Re: Re: 12 volr conversion kit in reply to This bickering reminds me........., 06-18-2002 14:56:02  



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alan

06-18-2002 04:19:41




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 Re: 12 volr conversion kit in reply to 8nlover, 06-17-2002 17:19:49  
I went to the ebay link, and if you squint your eyes, it looks like the picture on the link shows the resistor in the kit. It is the little white rectangular thing with brass terminals on it sitting in front of the coil



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mike

06-17-2002 19:26:08




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 Re: 12 volr conversion kit in reply to 8nlover, 06-17-2002 17:19:49  
why do you want to convert to 12 volt. most rediculous thing i have ever heard. your grandfather did'nt need 12 volt to start an engine of only 119 cid. just repair the starting problem if you have one and leave the rest alone! mike



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Dell (WA)

06-17-2002 18:29:16




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 Re: 12 volr conversion kit in reply to 8nlover, 06-17-2002 17:19:49  
Dirk..... ....WHAT DID YOU NOT UNDERSTAND from my first answer to your post this morning?

Do you understand that there are 2 different types of ignition systems on N-Tractors, the square frontmount coil and the roundcan sidemount coil? And each different ignition coil requires a different electrical treatment. This is why YOU MUST SPECIFY what type of N-ignition system is being converted to 12 volts..... ..... .. respectfully, Dell


Dirk..... ....If you're converting a square frontmount ignition N-Tractor to 12 volts with a square 12 volt replacement ignition coil, you will need a 1/2 ohm 10 watt current limiting resistor to keep from melting the ignition coil and shorting. THIS IS THE SECRET of a successful 12 volt frontmount conversion. The required resistor in not available from tractor parts stores. Get it from Radio Shack. ..... .....Dell

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Jack Milestone

06-18-2002 03:16:34




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 Re: Re: 12 volr conversion kit in reply to Dell (WA), 06-17-2002 18:29:16  
Dell,

I'm still a newbie here but I've been reading some of your posts. You give some great answers and sometimes you seems to give people crap. Why is that Dell? Just curious.

I've learned so much from this site already and appreciate the infomation and I'm learning things about people too.

I haven't done my 12 volt conversion yet cause I'm a liitle dumb in the electrical field, but I think I'm afraid to now. I wouldn't want to ask a question cause someone will cut me down. :-)

Can I end my post with signing respectfully Jack and not get into trouble? :-)

Respectfully,
Jack "Newbie" Milestone

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SMART #$$$####***+++

06-17-2002 19:41:30




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 Re: Re: 12 volr conversion kit in reply to Dell (WA), 06-17-2002 18:29:16  



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8nlover

06-17-2002 18:51:49




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 Re: Re: 12 volr conversion kit in reply to Dell (WA), 06-17-2002 18:29:16  
I guess my question should have stated that i have the front mount distributor and if any one has bought this kit and installed with no problems. Why does the front mount need a resistor when using a 12 volt coil and the side mount doesnt?



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Dell (WA)

06-17-2002 19:12:21




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 Re: Re: Re: 12 volr conversion kit in reply to 8nlover, 06-17-2002 18:51:49  
Dirk..... ...I quote for a 3rd time..... . "you will need a 1/2 ohm 10 watt current limiting resistor to keep from melting the ignition coil and shorting. THIS IS THE SECRET of a successful 12 volt frontmount conversion" ..... ..

And the real reason if you really gotta know, the 12 volt frontmount coil was designed for 13.5 volts MAX and a 12 volt alternator puts out about 14.7 volts to charge the 12 volt battery.

And since a 12 volt battery at rest (meaning not being externally charged from alternator) is actually about 12.6 volts. And if you don't understand why a 6 volt battery is actually 12.6 volts and why it takes about 14.7 volts to charge it, That is all covered in Battery Theory 101, chemical reactions.

And do you know why 14.7 volt is bad for a 13.5 volt coil, its because OHMS LAW sez so. Meaning if the coil resistance stays the same (and it does) then when the volts go up (14.7) the AMPS must also go up. AMPS generate HEAT. TOO MUCH HEAT melts the insulative tar and shorts out the primary coil turns and guess what? NO SPARKIES.

And if you don't want to believe me or don't want to understand electrical theory, I've gone as far as I care to go in trying to eduicate the electrical challenged..... .....respectfully, Dell

Dirk..... ....If you're converting a square frontmount ignition N-Tractor to 12 volts with a square 12 volt replacement ignition coil, you will need a 1/2 ohm 10 watt current limiting resistor to keep from melting the ignition coil and shorting. THIS IS THE SECRET of a successful 12 volt frontmount conversion. The required resistor in not available from tractor parts stores. Get it from Radio Shack. ..... .....Dell

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What an A## you are

06-18-2002 04:44:49




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: 12 volr conversion kit in reply to Dell (WA), 06-17-2002 19:12:21  
Im glad that you feel supperior to the rest of us novice tractor owners by bashing people for asking questions. maybe if you answered the question right the first time, us newbies would understrand why instead of because your cocky mouth said so.



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DESPAIR.COM Idiocy

06-18-2002 07:51:32




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 12 volr conversion kit in reply to What an A## you are, 06-18-2002 04:44:49  
Quote: NEVER UNDERESTIMATE THE POWER OF STUPID PEOPLE IN LARGE GROUPS. Pay attention!!



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I agree!!!!!!!!!!!!

06-18-2002 06:38:13




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 12 volr conversion kit in reply to What an A## you are, 06-18-2002 04:44:49  
You are right, You had a simple ?. All you needed was an answer.



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gave 'em simple answer first time . . .

06-18-2002 21:11:00




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 12 volr conversion kit in reply to I agree!!!!!!!!!!!!, 06-18-2002 06:38:13  
Durkie didn't understand 1st simple answer.
Durkie didn't understand 2nd expanded answer.
Durkie still doesn't understand elaberated answer.

Sumpthin 'bout leading a horse to water, but ya kan't mak'em drink..... ...respectfully



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Salmoneye

06-18-2002 05:44:15




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 12 volr conversion kit in reply to What an A## you are, 06-18-2002 04:44:49  
Dell answered your question 3 times.

Why didn't you just ask the seller what was included in the kit?

I have sold on eBay for more than 3 years and get and answer questions all the time...



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Concerned

06-18-2002 08:12:21




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 12 volr conversion kit in reply to Salmoneye, 06-18-2002 05:44:15  
So that gives the almighty arrogant Dell the right to treat him this way?

Lame excuse to me!!!

Concerned



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Chris9N in Ct

06-17-2002 18:21:26




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 Re: 12 volr conversion kit in reply to 8nlover, 06-17-2002 17:19:49  
I recently (before last winter)installed that same kit it my 41 9n, I followed the directions as written and have not had a single problem. Yes, everything I needed was included in the kit. I also ran new plug wires at the same time since I was pulling all the wiring out of the tube.

Good luck, Chris



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8nlover

06-17-2002 18:25:57




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 Re: Re: 12 volr conversion kit in reply to Chris9N in Ct, 06-17-2002 18:21:26  
Thanks for the reply. Since i have the frount mount distributor i have read on several posts that i need to install a resistor. Hopefully i can get it installed without any problems. I ordered new wires also to install .



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