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Tried Electrolytic Rust Removal! IT WORKS!

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Paul R.

07-27-2002 03:34:03




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Foud a copy of a posting here from a while back on removing rust via electrolytic conversion. Got ambitious last night and tried it. Lemme tell ya, it works! WOW!

I thought this was voodoo or something the witch doctor would come up with, but it sounded simple, I had the material laying around, and I was getting tired of grinding the rust off this old sickle bar mower I'm working on. Put in a old skid plate last night (1/4" thick, a foot long, 6" wide, SOLID with rust), hooked everything up, watched it sizzle for a while, went to bed.

This morning, pulled it out, and 3/4 of the rust sloughed off when I brushed it with my hand! By this afternoon, it should be all done! This is fantastic! Now it doesn't restore the part, it's still pitted and looks old. But it does remove all the oxygen from the iron oxide, and make it easy to wash off, dry, prime and paint. Saves a heckuva lotta work!

I used a 30-gal PLASTIC trash can, 10 gals of water, 10 tablespoons of lye, stir, drop in a large bar of stainless steel I had laying around with the positive terminal of my battery charger clipped on at the top, out of the water. Used a 4' piece of electrical cord, both ends stripped, C-clamped one end to a shiny spot on the old skid plate (gotta have good contact), dropped it in near but not touching the stainless. Hook up the negative terminal to the other end of the wire (again, out of the water), turn on the charger, walk away. The whole thing takes less time to do than to write about.

Progress report to follow.

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Levi (WA)

07-27-2002 09:58:30




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 Re: Tried Electrolytic Rust Removal! IT WORKS! in reply to Paul R., 07-27-2002 03:34:03  
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It does work great, here is a link to a site on the subject



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MikeC

07-27-2002 04:53:14




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 Re: Tried Electrolytic Rust Removal! IT WORKS! in reply to Paul R., 07-27-2002 03:34:03  
I remember reading that post and thinking wondering if someone was pulling our collective legs. Really works, eh?

I have a question though. Where did you find lye? I have looked all over and can't find it. I've tried lumber yards like Home Depot and basically get that deer in the headlights look when I ask someone about it.



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Jimbo TX

07-27-2002 18:07:23




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 Re: Re: Tried Electrolytic Rust Removal! IT WORKS! in reply to MikeC, 07-27-2002 04:53:14  
You can also blue your guns whith that mix. Just raise it to about 293 degrees F and put your parts in. Will produce commercial results. Just need a stainless steel tank.Jimbo TX



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John Fitzpatrick

07-28-2002 17:49:05




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 Re: Re: Re: Tried Electrolytic Rust Removal! IT WORKS! in reply to Jimbo TX, 07-27-2002 18:07:23  
Jimbo-
How do you manage to get the temperature up that high? 'Round here water boils at 212*F.
John



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Thanks!...MikeC

07-27-2002 13:13:19




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 Re: Re: Tried Electrolytic Rust Removal! IT WORKS! in reply to MikeC, 07-27-2002 04:53:14  
Thanks for the information. I will start looking and get some.



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Bill W.

07-27-2002 08:18:09




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 Re: Re: Tried Electrolytic Rust Removal! IT WORKS! in reply to MikeC, 07-27-2002 04:53:14  
Most of your major grocery stores will have Red Devil Lye under cleaning area stock. It also works for use as a paint stripper first connonized by the infamous Zane Sherman on this board. Makes good paint stripper when mixed with dry corn starch and water to ketsup consistency paste. Put on, let sit few hours and high pressure wash off. Keep moist with reapplication if possible. Sometimes overnight works best. Good N-ing.

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Jeff Hoo

07-27-2002 07:56:14




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 Re: Re: Tried Electrolytic Rust Removal! IT WORKS! in reply to MikeC, 07-27-2002 04:53:14  
And sodium carbonate....or "soda ash." Which you can get in "pH Plus" in pool supply stores, (also Home Depot pool supply section...you just have to avoid asking the dolts in the aisles for the chemical name or application of electrolysis!!!)

I have used Bicarbonate of Soda before, too, but it's not nearly as reactive. But it's all I had.

And the black oxide that forms is mostly magnetite, and some pure Fe powder, and can be wiped off with "Metal-Prep" or Phosphoric acid and Methanol, or a mixture of Naval Jelly and rubbing alcohol.

Also, to keep the clean surface from rusting immediately, consider drying it in an inert bath. I have (for other reasons) rigged up a bucket with a hose and purged it with nitrogen from a welding bottle. Drying your parts in there will keep it from forming a new red coat of rust on the fresh metal.

Your mileage may be identical.

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Jeff Hoo

07-27-2002 07:03:05




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 Re: Re: Tried Electrolytic Rust Removal! IT WORKS! in reply to MikeC, 07-27-2002 04:53:14  
Lye is NaOH (sodium hydroxide), a very reactive base. Used with fat to make soap, or with hominy to make grits!! If all else fails you can pretend to to be a vegetarian environmentalist and buy it from places like that that cater to the home soap-maker types. But that is a last resort.

You should be able to use potassium hydroxide, too, but that may be more exciting.



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bg

07-27-2002 05:23:40




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 Re: Re: Tried Electrolytic Rust Removal! IT WORKS! in reply to MikeC, 07-27-2002 04:53:14  
I used a 5 gallon bucket and Arm & Hammer washing soda which you can buy at the grocery store. You should also be able to find Red Devil Lye at the grocery or a real hardware store or paint store. I de-rusted the arms that go on the brake control rods. They came out with a black powdery stuff on them. I then used the wire brush on my bench grinder and they looked like brand new castings.



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