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How to start a 6 volt with a 12 volt

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Russ@Ks

12-05-2000 18:08:30




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I need to get my 8N started and the batt. is to low to start it. How can I use a 12 volt batt to jump it? It died on me while I was in the woods and I will have to carry the batt in as I don't think I can get my pickup in to it.




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ZANE

12-06-2000 18:13:01




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 Re: how to start a 6 volt with a 12 volt in reply to Russ@Ks, 12-05-2000 18:08:30  
When jump starting an N tractor with 12 volts it not necessary to hook the 12 volts to the 6 volts battery at all. As a matter of fact I strongly reccomend against it.
Instead hook the 12 volts directly to the frame of the tractor for the ground and with the transmission in neutral and out of the way of the wheels of the tractor so you don't get run over touch the other cable from the 12 volt source to the post on the starter.
By doing it this way you don't even have to worry about the polarity of the batterys or which cable you have to ground or positive to the frame or the starter as the 6 volt systme is not intered into at all with the 12 volts. Just turn on the switch and touch the hot cable to the starter post and it will go.

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Alberta Mike

12-05-2000 19:37:34




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 Re: how to start a 6 volt with a 12 volt in reply to Russ@Ks, 12-05-2000 18:08:30  
Russ: Here's my opinion on your situation. Either go out and buy a new 6 volt battery (and in the winter keep it inside the house if it's cold and the tractor sits for a long time without being used), OR convert the whole system to 12 volts with a GM alternator. There are several articles in the ARTICLE ARCHIVES outlining how to do this. If you do decide to stick with 6 volts (which I don't think is a bad idea), follow the first suggestions PLUS make sure your battery cables are BIG sized, I believe they are called #1 cables. If you (or someone else) has used the typical type you buy at Walmart or NAPA that are replacements for current 12V cars, you will loose a large amount of cranking power (for some reason that I don't understand, but it has been explained on this forum in the past). Good luck.

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Greg (NAA)

12-05-2000 22:16:11




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 Re: Re: how to start a 6 volt with a 12 volt in reply to Alberta Mike, 12-05-2000 19:37:34  
Good advice all around.

FYI - Alberta Mike is right about the cable sizes.

Here's why - every wire has a small ammount of resistance to the flow of electricity. This resistance is proportional to both length and wire diameter. (i.e. smaller diameter = more resistance, longer wire = more resistance). Resistance takes electrical power to overcome it (usually producing heat).

Since your battery voltage is fixed, the resistance limits the current the wire can carry. (Damn, couldn't avoid the algebra: remember V=IR) Other people may talk about a voltage drop along a wire - same thing, different way of looking at it.

In a 6V system, your starter requires twice as much current (amps) as in a 12V system. The end result of all this is that a 6V system requires larger diameter cables to supply adequate power to the starter. Shorter cables helps as well.

If I'm clear as mud - Claus and/or Zane have some good posts regarding this in the archives.

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MAC AL

12-05-2000 19:00:51




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 Re: how to start a 6 volt with a 12 volt in reply to Russ@Ks, 12-05-2000 18:08:30  
I have a 12 volt battery mounted on the left
running board (an old switdh enclosser is used to hold the battery). The positive is bolted
to the tractor frame with a switch from Wal-Mart
in the cable. The negitive is connected to the
field side of the starter. Using the switch to
start the N, I start with 12 volts but I still
run on 6 volts. This has been working for 2 years.



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Greg (NAA)

12-05-2000 18:50:03




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 Re: how to start a 6 volt with a 12 volt in reply to Russ@Ks, 12-05-2000 18:08:30  
I had to do this with my NAA a couple of months ago. It works as long as the 6V battery has enough charge to at least run the ignition circuit (usually it does). You'll need a charged 12V battery and good heavy jumper cables.

First, MAKE DARN SURE THE TRANSMISSION IS IN NEUTRAL! You'll be bypassing the start in gear interlock and standing in the way of that big rear tire. Ugly combination if the tractor is in gear when it starts.

1) Hook the jumpers up to the 12V battery.
2) Connect the + cable to the tractor "frame" somewhere near the starter where it can make good contact. (technically polarity here doesn't matter)
3) Double check that the tractor is in NEUTRAL!!!
4) Turn the ignition switch on and set the throttle
5) Now for the manual starter switch: Touch the - cable to the post on the starter. Be ready with the choke in the other hand (having a second person helps). The engine should crank - once it fires pull the cable away from the starter and disconnect all cables.

After its running I'd head back to the barn to figure out why it died - you don't know how long the 6V will run the ignition circuit. On mine both the generator and battery were bad and I ended up converting the whole thing over to 12V rather than rebuilding the generator (it was cheaper).

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2fordsmike, I've always just hooked it up...

12-05-2000 18:34:43




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 Re: how to start a 6 volt with a 12 volt in reply to Russ@Ks, 12-05-2000 18:08:30  
Russ: I have jumped 12V to 6V a dozen times for a start. Yes, I've even carried a deep-cycle to the tractor! With these positive ground Fords, I simply clamp the positive to the positive or ground terminal; the negative to the terminal running to the starter. I remove them quickly after I got the tractor running. Maybe it would be safer to ground the Positive to the tractor frame. Hope others comment on this. A second person can be a big help if you have to choke and coax the cold tractor to life. Dress warm. Good Luck! Mike-Iowa

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9N53623

12-05-2000 18:32:14




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 Re: how to start a 6 volt with a 12 volt in reply to Russ@Ks, 12-05-2000 18:08:30  
Just do it Quick! Pack your battery, cables, starting fluid, screwdriver and beer (to even out the load) back to your tractor. Connect the ground (black) leads, and connect the red lead to your 12v battery. Use the screwdriver to remove the air intake hose from your carb. Give it a shot of starting fluid. Turn on your ignition and TOUCH the hot red lead to the starter. Don't leave it connected! After she starts, sit down and have a beer while she warms up. Dont forget your 12V battery!

Greg

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