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Keeping the theives out of the barn?

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8n in mn

08-27-2002 05:39:47




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Recently, our pole barn was broken into by some low lying b@#st%*ds. They broke in by digging a hole under the sliding door and then unlocked the service and sliding door. Apparently, they had cased the place with the ATV and some tools being stolen. They didn't appear to mess with the tractors.

I know it's a petty theft, but the local law enforcement couldn't care less and unless you put the crooks on a silver platter, they'll never be stopped.

Anyway, anyone have any thoughts how to keep this from happening again besides sitting inside with a .44 on your lap?

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RKHertz

08-29-2002 21:10:21




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 Re: Keeping the theives out of the barn? in reply to 8n in mn, 08-27-2002 05:39:47  
Thorn bushes under the windows can serve as an effective deterrent, and they look better than barbed wire.



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NOISE!!! Dave OH

08-28-2002 22:20:13




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 Re: Keeping the theives out of the barn? in reply to 8n in mn, 08-27-2002 05:39:47  
Noise! Loud Noise! Even in the country because it carries far, is the best deterent. Unless you have horses in the barn.
Magnetic switches are best because animals and bats will not set them off.
Run your system by battery with a charger and a reset timer. This is not as costly as you may think. They are smart enough to cut electric wires, unless they are new to the trade.
Dave OH



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8n in mn - Thanks to all and heres my plan

08-27-2002 19:27:32




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 Re: Keeping the theives out of the barn? in reply to 8n in mn, 08-27-2002 05:39:47  
Thanks for all the support and ideas. The barn does sit out by itself with no power or phone lines. My first thought was to modify a car alarm system to operate on a 12 volt deep cycle battery.

Then, I ran across a security sytem designed for yachts and RVs. Operates on 12 volts with magnetic door/window sensors. If activated, the system sounds a 110 decibal piercing sound and activates a 100,000 candle light strobe light.

My plan includes adding a solar powered charger to keep the battery fully charged. Literature says that system in "stand-by" mode only uses 50 milliamps and the charger puts out 125 milliamps, so the battery should stay fully charged. I thought I would mount the main box and battery up high where you need a ladder or loader to get at it.

System also includes a keyed switch to turn security system on & off. The key looks like one used for pop machines.

Again, thanks for all the support and ideas. Let me know what you think of this one.

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Dave OH

08-28-2002 22:24:29




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 Re: Re: Keeping the theives out of the barn? in reply to 8n in mn - Thanks to all and heres my plan, 08-27-2002 19:27:32  
A lot of thought went into your idea. I read it after my Post. This is the best system you could design. I like the Strobe idea. Kudo's
Dave OH



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Gary R, (OH)

08-27-2002 19:24:51




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 Re: Keeping the theives out of the barn? in reply to 8n in mn, 08-27-2002 05:39:47  
Sorry to hear about the break in. That is truly a low life. No matter what you do if they are determined they will try. I saw alot of good tips on how to make it difficult on them. But fear is, and always will be your best protection! ThompsoN made an excellent point (VERY TRUE). I'd find the biggest dish I could, maybee even cut the bottom 6" off a plastic drum and write GODZILLA on it. set it out front in plain sight next to the light duty log chain thats hooked to a dog collar that looks more like a weight lifters belt.have the chain come out from under your sliding door. Crooks are cowards they won't risk finding out. Remember (if someone will lie to ya they'll steel from ya)

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prentice

08-27-2002 17:21:12




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 Re: Keeping the theives out of the barn? in reply to 8n in mn, 08-27-2002 05:39:47  
We have 9 dogs, one is always out, none bite yet; all bark, sometimes too much. When I carpentered full- time I always installed deadbolts keyed both sides, some don't like them "what if you gotta get out quick, where's th key?" Still, Don't leave key in the inside lockset. I also put screws through the latchset and deadbolt strike into the jamb and the jack and stud in the wall. I learned that the hard way from somebody kicking a new door in. One thing we never do but for an hour here or there is leave the place empty. Too many chickens set free and coyotes already free. The silent alarms I know of get lots of mice and wasps tripping them. The cops now charge for false calls. So maybe set them on teenage male setting. Hope you get some security. Cop told me as we went to get a kid I chased after the kid tried to break in, thieves think about what they do, gotta be a low life form to think about and then commit a crime. Prentice

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Bill(NC)

08-27-2002 12:56:01




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 Re: Keeping the theives out of the barn? in reply to 8n in mn, 08-27-2002 05:39:47  
I wouldn't sit inside waiting with a gun, because the law is on the crook's side.

I have seen professional alarms that make noise that hurts your ears so bad that you can not stay around more than a minute. I think they are pretty good systems.



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Write down you serial numbers Goatman

08-27-2002 12:05:37




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 Re: Keeping the theives out of the barn? in reply to 8n in mn, 08-27-2002 05:39:47  
Without the make, model, and serial numbers you wont ever see the property again. So, get a helper, pen, paper, and get to recording..Cause, if someone wants it bad enough he'll get it. At least have a chance of getting it back when he is done with it.



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ThompsoN

08-27-2002 13:18:58




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 Re: Re: Keeping the theives out of the barn? in reply to Write down you serial numbers Goatman, 08-27-2002 12:05:37  
Yes, s/n are important. My wife and I were robbed before we moved into our new house. We had moved most of the stuff in already and the day we got there to "live" there, a lot of it was gone.

They got the bas**** later and he went to the can on a list of small charges that was a mile long. One of the charges stemmed from the S/N from my camera which he pawned not realizing there was a number on the inside. I still didn't get the camera back (insurance got it) but there was some satisfaction there. Thanks to the cop who made the effort to phone me and let me know.

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Fast Ed Ohio

08-27-2002 21:42:46




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 Re: Re: Re: Keeping the theives out of the barn? in reply to ThompsoN, 08-27-2002 13:18:58  
Remember back when the Police said put your SS number on everything , not a good idea today , a good watch dog and loaded 12 gauge plus watchfull neighbors is the best deturant I can think of, also leave lights on at night.



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Mountainman

08-27-2002 10:36:43




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 Re: Keeping the theives out of the barn? in reply to 8n in mn, 08-27-2002 05:39:47  
Vic has the right idea - lock the doors and windows so they can NOT be opened from the inside without a key. Also lock the ATVs and tractors to the floor or solid place on the wall with a chain.

I would rig up a motion sensor to a video on the inside of the building, and transmit the results to the house if possible. Run power & phone lines where they cannot be cut (like underground) if possible.

Another idea is to tack up a used pistol target, preferably one of those "exploding" types that really accent the hole left by the bullet. Make sure it is a tight pattern and put the target in plain view of the place they might get in.

Mountainman...CA

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Dave OH

08-28-2002 22:01:20




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 Re: Re: Keeping the theives out of the barn? in reply to Mountainman, 08-27-2002 10:36:43  
Your Ideas! I like it! Should be a man type target with 6 holes in the crotch area.
Dave OH



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TractorGut

08-27-2002 09:52:14




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 Re: Keeping the theives out of the barn? in reply to 8n in mn, 08-27-2002 05:39:47  
Howdy! Had some computer problems and haven't been able to post here in awhile, but just love all the ideas that are presented here for security. Seems like the only thing that would really work is a cellular-based or satellite-based alarm with a battery back-up that would alert the police. Another good idea is a camera system with a hidden vcr, so MAYBE the goods will be recovered and the crook will be caught. ...TG.....

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ThompsoN

08-27-2002 08:21:50




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 Re: Keeping the theives out of the barn? in reply to 8n in mn, 08-27-2002 05:39:47  
Dogs. Ever notice how dogs hate scum and scum are afraid of dogs. It's a beautiful thing.



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CJ in Michigan

08-27-2002 08:04:53




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 Re: Keeping the theives out of the barn? in reply to 8n in mn, 08-27-2002 05:39:47  
I worked for a farmer about 15 years ago, and he had an honor-system farm stand out front that was constantly being ripped off. We set up a video camera on a tripod on his porch and the next day the tape showed a local kid driving up in his car and grabbing the coffee can with change in it and smirking like he'd just pulled off the Brink's job.
Cops grabbed him and that tape was replayed many times..

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Nick at the JG

08-27-2002 07:40:08




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 Re: Keeping the theives out of the barn? in reply to 8n in mn, 08-27-2002 05:39:47  
This worked...

Your post reminded me of a fellow down in Yemassee SC who had 5 breakins at his pawn shop in 2 months. So he raised all the furniture up off the floor, put a lockout on the light switches and started turning 6 diamondbacks loose in the place when he left at night. Got an article about it in the paper. Didn't have any more problems.

Good luck with your solutions!



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Evil Steve

08-27-2002 07:17:16




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 Re: Keeping the theives out of the barn? in reply to 8n in mn, 08-27-2002 05:39:47  
Definately a motion sensor wired to a loud alarm and lights.



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08-27-2002 06:37:52




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 Re: Keeping the theives out of the barn? in reply to 8n in mn, 08-27-2002 05:39:47  
and barking watch dogs..... ..



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Errin OH

08-27-2002 06:20:54




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 Re: Keeping the theives out of the barn? in reply to 8n in mn, 08-27-2002 05:39:47  
My vote is for the motion setup. But put one inside as well. Have it trigger the loudest car horn you can find. When they got into mine the came through the side towards the woods (no light there) and cut a big hole in the side of the building. Had that horn been in there before I am sure that it would have scared them off.



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Jeff Hoo

08-27-2002 07:25:49




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 Re: Re: Keeping the theives out of the barn? in reply to Errin OH, 08-27-2002 06:20:54  
I was afraid of that! I'm building a steel barn/shop right now, and I was thinking about just how vulnerable the sheet metal is. I included a masonry-ledge on the slab in anticipation of putting a stone veneer on the outside....but I wasn't planning on it right away!

Well, looks like I should move that up a bit!

I'd be interested in "defeat" stories. Such as "I had motion lights, but they still got me." Stories that might indicate which precaustions aren't as good as others.

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Errin OH

08-27-2002 09:03:18




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 Re: Re: Re: Keeping the theives out of the barn? in reply to Jeff Hoo, 08-27-2002 07:25:49  
Yea you might want to do that. Its amazing how fast a sharp camp hatchet can go through tin.

Didn't happen to me but here are a few failures I know of.

Big Dog - My grandmother had a series of rental buildings that included an old gas station. The fella that rented it kept a rather large dog in there at night. Over a 3 years period he went through 4 of those big dogs. The first one was found dead (poisoned) the next three were just missing the next day. He finally had to move to a better location, insurance co. threaten to drop him.

Silent Alarm - Another one of her renters was a local photographer. He had installed a silent alarm. Apparently the crooks tossed a large rock through the front door to see what would happen. Since the was no audible alarm and the police still showed up. They came back a week later and cut the phone line and broke a rear window. Since no police came they went in and cleaned him out.

Motion lights - Shortly after moving here, I lived in a small town. Behind and caddy corner from me was a church with motion detectors front and rear the building. After the break-in (vandalism) it was discovered that the lights on the rear had been shot out providing a nice dark area for kids to come and go.

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Vic

08-27-2002 05:48:18




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 Re: Keeping the theives out of the barn? in reply to 8n in mn, 08-27-2002 05:39:47  
Couple of thoughts:

1. Motion sensing lights. You can get a motion sensing light that's part of a system called X-10 (lots of places, including Radio Shack) that sends out a signal to other lights to turn them on too. It can also send a signal into the house to sound an annunciator, assuming you're home and you own a 12-gauge.

2. What about hardened padlocks to keep any doors from being opened, even from the inside, without a key?

Remember that these are probably kids, not sophisticated burglars, so if you can make enough barriers, light and noise, you can probably keep them out.

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