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Overheating STILL Please help !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Ron from Ohio

09-02-2002 15:58:37




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Ok I have ask a couple questions on here before and always got great answers so Im counting on you guys this time. Ok here it goes I own a 1941 9N ford tractor with a front mount dist. It is overheating within a few minutes of starting....when I say over heating I dont just mean leaking a little from the overflow I mean steaming past the standard 4 psi cap. The tractor will over heat just sitting there idleling for 10 min or so and gets real hot if worked. Ok let me answer some of the common questions. Both radiator hoses have been replaces, I put a new water pump on the tractor, the timing ( point gap) is right, It is not running lean. As for a thermostate I have tried with and without with the same results. As for the radiator as I look in the radiator I do not see the kind of movement I would expect. Very little movement at all in the radiator. I have not had the radiator checked as of yet but it is out and in the truck to go to the shop in the morning. But here is my concern according to numerous answers to over heating questions on here you can check the radiators flowing ability by puting a hose in the top and seeing if the volume is the same coming out the bottom and it is. I tried putting it in the very top and in the top radiator hose opening and got great flow in both places. Well there ya have it any ideas??? Can the head gasket on a 9N be put on wrong as to restrict water flow??? I know in some auto applications this is possible. And if someone is about to tell me I have a clogged water port in the block also please tell me how I find it. Is there a block flush procedure? Well any help you all can give me would be greatly appreciated....I am watching my computer as we speak waiting for a responce thanks again.

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Art McClaflin

09-04-2002 21:15:54




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 Re: Overheating STILL Please help !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! in reply to Ron from Ohio, 09-02-2002 15:58:37  
Back in 1959, I watched some guys put Sal Soda in an old Mack with a million miles on it...we were in Florida at the time....then when we got up to Atlanta...flushed out the radiator...it was as shiny as a new silver dollar! Ran cool too.

The problem is, I can't find Sal Soda anymore...have even looked in the Dollar General Stores, where you can find some of the "old standbys".....think it was in the washing detergent area....

If anyone knows where a guy could get it, I'd sure like to know too!

The way you talk about it heating up so fast sounds like a Plymouth Voyager I have....it heated up real fast...had a cracked valve seat, letting the exhaust gasses into the coolant. If a gasket was leaking somehow, might be doing the same thing.

Hope this helps...
Art

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jr burger

09-02-2002 21:57:45




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 Re: Overheating STILL Please help !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! in reply to Ron from Ohio, 09-02-2002 15:58:37  
put anti freeze in and change the oil. also 50/50 water antifreeze works for me i ran just water and i boiled it all the time. also try leaving the cap loose dont pressureise it.



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jr burger

09-02-2002 21:57:18




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 Re: Overheating STILL Please help !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! in reply to Ron from Ohio, 09-02-2002 15:58:37  
put anti freeze in and change the oil. also 50/50 water antifreeze works for me i ran just water and i boiled it all the time. also try leaving the cap loose dont pressureise it.



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ZANE

09-02-2002 19:24:25




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 Re: Overheating STILL Please help !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! in reply to Ron from Ohio, 09-02-2002 15:58:37  
I see that you said you replaced the water pump. I have seen problems caused by useing too much silicone glue on the gasket etc when installin the water pump and plugging the flow out of the water pump. I have also seen rebuilt water pumps believe it or not that the impellar was spinning on the pump shaft and not pumping water.

To check for a blown head gasket you can remove one spark plug at the time or all four of them and then apply compressed air of at least 100 psi to the spark plug hole after the cylinder that you are testing has been set up with the piston at top dead center of the compression stroke and the transmission in fourth or high gear with the rear wheel securely blocked so it can't move and see if you can see air bubbling up in the radiator. Do this on each cylinder. If you can keep[ it on top dead center on each cylinder while testing and don't see significant bubbles it probably doesn't have a blown head gasket.

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ZANE

09-02-2002 19:22:41




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 Re: Overheating STILL Please help !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! in reply to Ron from Ohio, 09-02-2002 15:58:37  
I see that you said you replaced the water pump. I have seen problems caused by useing too much silicone glue on the gasket etc when installin the water pump and plugging the flow out of the water pump. I have also seen rebuilt water pumps believe it or not that the impellar was spinning on the pump shaft and not pumping water.

To check for a blown head gasket you can remove one spark plug at the time or all four of them and then apply compressed air of at least 100 psi to the spark plug hole after the cylinder that you are testing has been set up with the piston at top dead center of the compression stroke and the transmission in fourth or high gear with the rear wheel securely blocked so it can't move and see if you can see water bubbling up in the radiator. Do this on each cylinder. If you can keep[ it on top dead center on each cylinder while testing and don't see significant bubbles it probably doesn't have a blown head gasket.

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Dell (WA)

09-02-2002 16:16:52




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 Re: Overheating STILL Please help !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! in reply to Ron from Ohio, 09-02-2002 15:58:37  
Ron..... ...you've addressed and answered most of the traditional causes of overheating. It doesn't hurt to have the radiator flow tested by a radiator shop, they're more experienced.

While you could have a blocked block, I'd be more inclined to suspect a blown headgasket, which you didn't address as a possiblility. Check your engine compression..... .....Dell



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Ron from ohio

09-02-2002 16:46:11




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 Re: Re: Overheating STILL Please help !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! in reply to Dell (WA), 09-02-2002 16:16:52  
Well Dell thanks for the quick responce. As a matter of fact I was so excited I went right out and did a compression test they ranged as low as 64 psi and as high as 70 but not enough variation to suspect a blown head gasket. And I see no steam at all from the tail pipe that would be another indicater of a blown head gasket. So as I see it Im block flushing..... ...please hold my hand and tell me where to start. Thanks

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Dell (WA)

09-02-2002 19:14:48




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 Re: Re: Re: Overheating STILL Please help !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! in reply to Ron from ohio, 09-02-2002 16:46:11  
Ron..... ..Thems some wimpy compression numbers. Ford compression specs: 90 psi min. Did you crank for at least 5 puffs?

I always crank untill the compression don't go any higher. If you cranked for 5 puffs, put 1 tablespoon of engine oil down the sparkie hole and crank again for 5 puffs. A good engine will increase about 5-10 psi.

A worn engine will increase about 20-30 psi. It will burn a lotta oil and foul sparkplugs and be hard to start. Wornout engines will also tend to run hot too. But this is not consistant with your reported radiator overheating, so I tend to discount this.

Make certain you do a good compression test, 5 puffs, dry then wet, all sparkies out so you're not cranking against other cylinder compression..... .....Dell

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ron from ohio

09-02-2002 22:11:04




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Overheating STILL Please help !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! in reply to Dell (WA), 09-02-2002 19:14:48  

Dell i did leave the other plugs in while checking my compression I will try pulling the other plugs and wetting the cylinders and doing it again, Thanks for the input I will try this tommorow. Thanks again, Ron



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bg

09-02-2002 18:07:18




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 Re: Re: Re: Overheating STILL Please help !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! in reply to Ron from ohio, 09-02-2002 16:46:11  
Make sure the engine is cold. You can get some block flushing stuff from Prestone. I'd drain the block completely, stop off the bottom hose outlet and fill the thing with block flushing chemical and water. Let it sit a while and remove the plug from the bottom. Run water until it comes out clear. Then run the hose into the bottom outlet and wrap a rag around it and see if you can fill the block until it comes out the top. repeat this several times. I had a guy tell me to use several Polident tablets in water to flush the block out, but I never tried it.

My son had a Mazda pickup and some yahoo told him his head gasket was blown, causing the engine to overheat. I came home to find him up to his elbows in engine parts, ended up finishing the r/r for him. Still overheated, even though it looked like it was getting good flow in the radiator. Took it to the radiator doctor and he found it only had 35% flow. Rodded it out, no more problems.

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