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2N rearend...how stong is it?

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PeteNY

09-17-2002 16:23:27




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Guys, We have a 1947 2N that just lost a cylinder and is going to get a major rebuild this winter. We will also be installing a Sherman O/U in place of the existing step up unit. Question is, how much can the rear ends and axles handle? We are thinking of "hopping" it up some, and maybe pulling it. We have had real good luck in Div 1 with the stock engine at pulls that have a #2500 class, but on a dry traction track she can't hang at #3000. If we forgo the sleeves, maybe bore a little, rejet, and tweak the governor, will the rearend stand up? Did they have problems with the rearends on the V6-V8 conversions? Thanks, Pete

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PeteNY

09-18-2002 16:44:00




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 Re: 2N rearend...how stong is it? in reply to PeteNY, 09-17-2002 16:23:27  
hey guys, thanks for the help. I's love to try the super charger idea, but NATPA would frown, but the HiPro manifold is gonna get checked out. Pete



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2fordsmike

09-18-2002 07:13:47




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 Re: 2N rearend...how stong is it? in reply to PeteNY, 09-17-2002 16:23:27  
In good shape, I'm guesssing the rear end of a 2N should be able to stand the amount of power you can use to spin the wheels in low gear when the tractor weighs 3,000 pounds. The axle will be more likely to break when you suddenly hit an immovable object (like a root or rock when plowing). Mike



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Dell (WA)

09-17-2002 19:46:30




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 Re: 2N rearend...how stong is it? in reply to PeteNY, 09-17-2002 16:23:27  
Pete..... ....You know how Mr Ford loved commonality in his product line. Rumor has it that the 2N/9N's rear end was the same as his 1 1/2 Ton Truck. Mr Ford learned a lesson from his Fordson Tractor about rearends.

Don't bother trying to run bare cylinder for increased displacement and more power. You're power limited by both the intake manifold and the low compression of a flathead engine.

BUT heres a trick to think about. SUPERCHARGE ITT!!! with a smog pump from a bigblock Chevy Truck. They are very efficent and designed for 8 liter V-8 and your little N-Engine is just 2 liters. And used ones can be very inexpensive at the used parts emporiums. The carb can flow enough fuel with its adjustable main jet.

'Course your local pulling asociation might have heartburn..... ....Dell

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Wildbill

09-17-2002 21:14:29




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 Re: Re: 2N rearend...how stong is it? in reply to Dell (WA), 09-17-2002 19:46:30  
Okay, now you got my attention. Has someone really done that?



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Dell (WA)

09-17-2002 23:34:51




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 Re: Re: Re: 2N rearend...how stong is it? in reply to Wildbill, 09-17-2002 21:14:29  
WildBill..... ....Has anyone ever suppercharged the N-Engine? well most likely. I seem to remember seeing a picture of one. (naturally, I didn't copy and save it) There are a lot of 2 Liter modern engines with turbos out there. It could be a very simple thing to rig up a turbo charger, if you've got the money and skills.

There are a lotta hotroding books with excellent chapters on how-to supercharge. Usually, they are talking about the big Roots meshed rotor 2-cycle GMC diesel superchargers being modified for drag racing. But the basic principles are the same.

I am very serious about using a large V-8 smogpump for a pulley belt driven supercharger. But I ain't gonna design it for you, you're on your own with the idea.

I got the idea about 4 yrs ago from an article by Steven A. Richmond, "Dirt Cheep Supercharger". Do a Web Search. I copied the article but didn't get any addresses. Sorry.

Matter of fact, I think the N-Carb would lend itself very well because of the adjustable mainjet and there is no vacuum chokes or vacuum ignition advances to worry about. Just be aware, the N-Oilpump is not the greatest and can cause mechanical failure. Remember the dusty, dirty working conditions of the tractor, you'll have to come up with a good BIG airfilter.

I worry about releasing this idea to the N-Fraternity, because there are so many that can't even do a simple 12 volt bolt-on conversion from a kit. And NO, I don't know of any supercharger kits for N's ..... ..... .the huffin' & puffin' Dell

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Wildbill

09-18-2002 06:15:24




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: 2N rearend...how stong is it? in reply to Dell (WA), 09-17-2002 23:34:51  
Sounds like a neat project, never heard of the smog pump as a blower trick. Just wondering where you would put the carb, suck or blow through style? Seems like it could get a little spooky without some sort of pop-off valve on the suck installation. Are the N rods up to the task? Doesn't it take some serious mods to get a flathead to hold a head gasket once your cylinder pressures start heading for the stratosphere? While we are alarmingly close to the subject, could anyone give me some tips on how to get this pee out of my boot?

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So true

09-18-2002 04:00:52




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: 2N rearend...how stong is it? in reply to Dell (WA), 09-17-2002 23:34:51  

I worry about releasing this idea to the N-Fraternity, because there are so many that can't even do a simple 12 volt bolt-on conversion from a kit.

Ya, us simple minded tractor folks sure is lucky to have someone as smart as you watch'n over us, would'nt want one of your flock putting antifreeze in the gas tank or gear lube in the radiator !
ROFL
later"belch"dave

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Levi (WA)

09-17-2002 16:37:20




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 Re: 2N rearend...how stong is it? in reply to PeteNY, 09-17-2002 16:23:27  
If you haven't pulled an N rearend apart yet you might be surprised as to how beefy they are, I know I was surprised at the size of the axles.
However I would definitely check your ring and pinion, the last 8N I parted had a chipped tooth on the ring gear, and the 8N I'm parting now has a chipped tooth on the pinion gear, I wasn't able to hear any noise when operating the tractors that would have alerted me to the problem....

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