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Richard Fazio

09-22-2002 18:41:16




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Is there a way to tell if I have a 6 or 12 volt coil. Upon checking the 8N I bought recently I’m no longer sure what I have. It had a 12 volt battery in it. I thought it was a conversion and didn’t think much of it. Now, when I had it apart with the hood off, I notice there is only one resistor on the back of the dash panel. I know it’s not charging. Now I see there is a 6 volt generator in it. I think the whoople that I got it from didn’t know it was a 6 volt machine and got a 12 volt battery for it when the battery went dead. He also hooked it up negative to ground. Now I’m afraid to run it. Wouldn’t 12 volts to the 6 volt coil fry it pretty quick? I looked on the voltage regulator and there is no voltage printed. Likewise for the coil.

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conversion?==bj/8n/mt

09-23-2002 06:30:10




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 Re: 6 or 12 Volt - Unsure? in reply to Richard Fazio, 09-22-2002 18:41:16  
Part of the joy of twelve volt conversions is that there are so many ways to do it. Some of them even work. Don't know why guys who wouldn't think of rewiring a table lamp think they can do twelve volt conversions out of the salvage yard. Anyhow, you are likely going to have to debrief the rocket scientist who did whatever he did but quick and dirty:

Read the voltage at the coil lead. Since there are both six and twelve volt front mount coils machine could have either and there is no physical way to tell them apart. Best guess is six volt and running with factory resistor from what you describe. If so and if it has been that way for long coil will likely be toast. Do you have fire at the plugs?

Read out put voltage at generator. Should read seven volts or so. Plenty of wiring diagrams in the archives of this board or a pretty good one in the IT FO4 manual. Figure out and post what you have and somebody here will get you on to the next step.

YOur mileage may vary

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Richard Fazio

09-23-2002 15:19:03




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 Re: Re: 6 or 12 Volt - Unsure? in reply to conversion?==bj/8n/mt, 09-23-2002 06:30:10  
I did read the voltage kind of quick and dirty when she wouldn't start once cause the plugs were so bad. I got 10 volts at the coil with the points open and I think it went down to 4 volts closed. Then I got her running again and kind of forgot about the voltage thing. I'll have to check and see if I get fire to the plugs with a 6 volt battery. I tend to think the previous owner just put a 12 volt battery in without knowing a thing. I just put in a new clutch and the compression comes in over 100 on three cylinders and 85 or 90 on the fourth. So I think it worth getting a good go over.

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Phil (NJ-AZ-SK)

09-24-2002 16:52:51




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 Re: Re: Re: 6 or 12 Volt - Unsure? in reply to Richard Fazio, 09-23-2002 15:19:03  
Richard,
>>I got 10 volts at the coil with the points open>>

This voltage 10V would not be correct, although I would suggest that measuring across an open switch is NOT valid because the meter draws current and you are just measuring your meter.. but it is high impedance and you should be very close to Battery 12.5 V or if 6 Volt Battery 6.5 Volts.

The 10 Volts indicates that current is flowing in the circuit and with the points open NONE
should Flow.

JMHO

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Turknology==bj/8n/mt

09-23-2002 16:42:32




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 Re: Re: Re: 6 or 12 Volt - Unsure? in reply to Richard Fazio, 09-23-2002 15:19:03  
Concur that the most likely scenario is that the previous owner just threw in a twelve volt battery and called that a conversion. Two ways to go from here:

If the twelve volt battery is a new good brand battery it might be worth doing a correct twelve volt conversion now. Although I am generally against converting to fix troubles you can buy an alternator for about what a six volt battery is going to cost you. I did a twelve volt conversion on a 2n that got burned over in the Maudlow fire only because it turned out cheaper than fixing the six volt system.

On the other hand, the priceist part is the generator and if it makes voltage--also might want to try to motor it since if it motors it will generate; see IT FO 4 manual or post again--then you may want to stay six volt.

Either way you will need to make coil voltage conform to system voltage. Assuming a six volt coil on a six volt system use the ballast resistor. On a twelve volt system with a six volt coil use the ballast resistor and a standard [blue streak] RU 100 dropping resitor in series [like flashlight batteries].

If any of this isn't clear post again or e mail me since like Dell I have "been there; done that; got a t shirt" on twelve volt conversions. Cleaning up some body else's twelve volt mess is no fun but as long as you keep the board up to date somebody will ride to the rescue.

Your mileage may vary

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Turknology==bj/8n/mt

09-23-2002 16:42:02




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 Re: Re: Re: 6 or 12 Volt - Unsure? in reply to Richard Fazio, 09-23-2002 15:19:03  
Concur that the most likely scenario is that the previous owner just threw in a twelve volt battery and called that a conversion. Two ways to go from here:

If the twelve volt battery is a new good brand battery it might be worth doing a correct twelve volt conversion now. Although I am generally against converting to fix troubles you can buy an alternator for about what a six volt battery is going to cost you. I did a twelve volt conversion on a 2n that got burned over in the Maudlow fire only because it turned out cheaper than fixing the six volt system.

On the other hand, the priceist part is the generator and if it makes voltage--also might want to try to motor it since if it motors it will generate; see IT FO 4 manual or post again--then you may want to stay six volt.

Either way you will need to make coil voltage conform to system voltage. Assuming a six volt coil on a six volt system use the ballast resistor. On a twelve volt system with a six volt coil use the ballast resistor and a standard [blue streak] RU 100 dropping resitor in series [like flashlight batteries].

If any of this isn't clear post again or e mail me since like Dell I have "been there; done that; got a t shirt" on twelve volt conversions. Cleaning up some body else's twelve volt mess is no fun but as long as you keep the board up to date somebody will ride to the rescue.

Your mileage may vary

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Dave OH

09-22-2002 21:50:50




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 Re: 6 or 12 Volt - Unsure? in reply to Richard Fazio, 09-22-2002 18:41:16  
If it is a front mount distributor there is a
Balast Resistor in it. If a side mount distributor there should not be a resistor used in it. It will not charge if it has a 12v Neg. ground batt. in it. The polarization is wrong and voltage is too high. Check "Polarizing" in the archives on this Board.
Read them all. For generator and voltage regulator. Do it after changing the battery. Give more info if you have a problem. Dave OH

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Richard Fazio

09-23-2002 03:19:07




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 Re: Re: 6 or 12 Volt - Unsure? in reply to Dave OH, 09-22-2002 21:50:50  
It is a front mount distributor. When you say "ballast resistor in it" do you mean in the distributor? I saw none. I had the coil off. Just a hunk of brown plastic with the copper lead sticking out to connect to the distributor. I have a 6 volt 2N. I'll try running it on 6 volts. How much you want to bet I can't get her running on 6V.



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Dave OH

09-23-2002 18:42:53




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 Re: Re: Re: 6 or 12 Volt - Unsure? in reply to Richard Fazio, 09-23-2002 03:19:07  
Resistor in the circuit as Dell said. I don't take sucker bets. When someone has re-created the ignition circuit there is no telling what will happen. You wouldn't have posted on the Board if you did not think you had a problem.
Dave OH



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Dell (WA)

09-23-2002 07:08:03




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 Re: Re: Re: 6 or 12 Volt - Unsure? in reply to Richard Fazio, 09-23-2002 03:19:07  
Fazzi..... ....all frontmount 6 volt N-Tractors have the "infamous ballast resistor" mounted on the backside of the dashpanel..... ....Dell



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Jack - Illinois

09-22-2002 20:12:18




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 Re: 6 or 12 Volt - Unsure? in reply to Richard Fazio, 09-22-2002 18:41:16  
I would look for some one I could borrow a 6 volt battery from and try running it on 6 volts. At least you won't risk smoking the coil that way. I would hook it up as positive ground but polarize the generator after installing the battery just in case the last one was hooked up with negative ground. Just my penny - Jack



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