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Rick Oh

10-16-2002 19:33:18




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Can the upper front and rear crank seals be replaced without dropping the crank in my 9N. I have the oil pan off and have replaced both lower seals in the pan. If so what's the best way to get the old out and new in? If not what's the easiest way? Thanks again!




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Mike OH

10-17-2002 09:10:02




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 Re: 9N upper Crank seals in reply to Rick Oh, 10-16-2002 19:33:18  
When I did my 8N, I was told by a very good source that it could be done, and I had very little trouble in getting the top of the rear seal out. However trying to install the new half in the upper seal retainer was a different story. Didn't take much and I broke the seal retainer. Had to order a new one from Don and yes, I had to end up dropping the crank. I learned my lesson. Now on the Jubilee, that's a different story. I used a two piece rubber seal and I was able to install it without removing the crank.

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ZANE

10-17-2002 05:43:33




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 Re: 9N upper Crank seals in reply to Rick Oh, 10-16-2002 19:33:18  
DON'T EVEN TRY!!!!! !!!

If you had a leaking rear main seal here is a way to fix it without pulling the crankshaft assuming that the crankshaft is good. If it wasn't leaking it won't leak with new bearings installed since the new bearing will raise the crankshaft a little if the old ones were worn.

Here is my file on a fix that I have done in times past with sucess when the rear main did leak.

To replace the top rear main seal it next to impossible to remove the old one or install the new one with the crankshaft in the engine. The old one will be stuck to the seal retainer because it is aluminum and you know what that stuff does when it is mated to a dissimilar material for a long time. You may also have too much wear on the crankshaft rear journal to ever stop the leak without an engine rebuild and crank regrind.
There is however a way to repair the rear main seal without removing or replacing it.
The TO Ferguson tractors have a cotton roping seal at the top rear main seal. It is a soft loosely woven rope about the size of a pencil or so and it is installed by simply using a soft punch to pack it into the top seal retainer. First you use the soft punch to pack the old seal up into the retainer as far as is possible before starting to pack in the roping. Using a soft punch made of a welding rod etc and being careful not to strike the crankshaft and score it pack the cotton roping into the seal retainer behind the old seal until no more can be packed in. Do this on both sides of the top seal.This will make the old portion of the seal again come in contact with the sealing surface of the crankshaft and then just install a new half in the bottom and bolt on the bearing cap.
I have done this repair many times in the past and never had a leak. The cotton roping is all that the new TO Ferguson tractors ever had from the factory. The engine in them is a Contenintal engine.

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Rick Oh

10-20-2002 17:14:50




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 Re: Re: 9N upper Crank seals in reply to ZANE, 10-17-2002 05:43:33  
Sounds like a plan. I'll try it and thanks to everyone for the help!!



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Ron

10-16-2002 20:49:10




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 Re: 9N upper Crank seals in reply to Rick Oh, 10-16-2002 19:33:18  
YES YOU CAN. Otain special tool from auto parts store. It is a pin with a head like a nail but at an angle. Pin goes into oil hole in crank, rotate crank by hand and pin will push seal out as it rotates. Install new seal same way. Soak new seal in hot oil first for about two hours then use STP to lube slot and seal to slide it into place with minimum chance of damage. slow painstaking process but it does work with patience and care. But why not just remove crank to do it? If you have pan off the hard part is over!

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Willy-N

10-16-2002 19:49:10




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 Re: 9N upper Crank seals in reply to Rick Oh, 10-16-2002 19:33:18  
No way do I see how you could get those in with out dropping the crankshaft. They are a very tight fit and packed in. They are hard to remove even when the Crank is out. Mark H.



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