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RonofOhio

10-22-2002 11:01:49




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Ive always used non-detergent oil in my 9n simply because the book says to. And I know that detergent oil has been around for ages. Ive always wandered exactly what is the real difference. Presumibly non-detergent is more of a "naturally distilled" product from petroleum. Detergent oil sounds like it comes from the process of 'soap making'..Any one know what is the process that separates the two?

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Ron Todd

10-22-2002 12:05:15




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 Re: Detergent oil? in reply to RonofOhio, 10-22-2002 11:01:49  
Thanks for the info. I really don't intend to change to detergent unless non-detergent becomes un-available. This old "n" has run for over 60 years on non-detergent and probably will be here longer than I am. I was more interested in the physical differences...you know, whether detergent comes from petroleum with additives or is it a man-made product made from chemicals and plant oils. Or something else entirely. Is it really just old fashioned motor oil with detergents added?

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Mike

10-22-2002 11:41:18




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 Re: Detergent oil? in reply to RonofOhio, 10-22-2002 11:01:49  
Hey Ron,
While running an engine over time, especially with non-detergent oil, you build up coatings of carbon and varnish on the internal surfaces of the engine. Over time, these help seal the rings and take up space in other areas that helps your engine run. Whan you change to detergent oil it does it's job and cleans these deposits away which allows blowback and leaks throught the engine.

This is why you are never recommended to "clean" an engine that has been run on non-detergent oil by running detergent oil in it. If you want to change to a detergent oil I'd recommend that you do so after you have just rebuilt the engine. If you are already planning to do the rebuild, running detergent oil is a good way to cut down on your cleanup time.

Good luck.

Mike

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Soundguy

10-22-2002 11:37:19




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 Re: Detergent oil? in reply to RonofOhio, 10-22-2002 11:01:49  
A detergent oil contains ( wow.. detergents ) that solvate and carry soot, etc in the oil, in suspension, where it can be deposited in the filter, etc.

A non-detergent oil doesn't carry the contaminate in suspension the same way.

There is some discussion about that if an old ( read: dirty )engine has never seen detergent oil, that sudden introduction may cause alot of the 'dirt' to 'fall out' at once, doing who knows what to the engine.

Every few months there is a big discussion on this.

I wonder if anyone has ever thought about gradually introducing detergent oil into a non-detergent system, say one quart det, with the ballance non det.. and then each oil change upping that ratio untill you have switched over to completely det oil.

I wonder if anyone has had any experiencewith this specifically?

Soundguy

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Dell (WA)

10-22-2002 12:07:29




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 Re: Re: Detergent oil? in reply to Soundguy, 10-22-2002 11:37:19  
When I was wrenching at the BMW Dealer, some BMW owners insisted upon using "their private brand" oil. 30K miles and 1/4" BLACK carbonize crud on valve cover and noisey valves because worn OHV camshaft. Their $$$$.

My 1969 BMW 2002 has 385K miles and you can almost use the valve cover as a dinner plate. Valvoline 10-40wt detergent oil. I also use same oil in my '52 8N and I don't know how many hours it had on it when I got it.

I highly recommend modern detergent oil in your old N-Engine. If your concerned about washing something off, guess what, its doing its job. Change it in 10 hrs for 3 changes and you're going to get all the loose stuff. Then use a thermostat to get and keep the oil hot enuff to suspend all the particials and soot and change it hot every fall..... ..... ...Dell

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DavidO

10-23-2002 05:42:38




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 Re: Re: Re: Detergent oil? in reply to Dell (WA), 10-22-2002 12:07:29  
What Dell said.
I have worked on/rebuilt a lot of engines and I really hated it when I got one that had been run using non-detergent oil. It takes two or three times as long to clean it up. What do you think happens when you add MMO to your engine and run it to clean it out and hopefully free up stuck valves/rings? (btw, pure kerosene works just as well)It frees up a lot of that gunk. Using high detergent oil prevents the buildup in the first place. If you have an old engine that you want to get another season or two out of and it has always had non detergent oil, do NOT switch. Otherwise switch and continue to use high detergent oil. As time goes by, you will be glad that you did.

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