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Ron from IL

10-30-2002 08:43:39




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Hey!

Bought a '50 8N about a month ago. The guy that owned it before the guy I bought it from filled just ONE of the rear tires w/calcium chloride. I've never had any experience with "loaded" tires. I don't know whether to fill the other one or drain the filled one and just run chains for winter. I've read about some of the horror stories associated with rusted-out rims from leaking tubes, and I'm a little leery. What do you guys think?

TIA

Ron

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Willy-N

10-30-2002 14:18:19




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 Re: A weighty problem.... in reply to Ron from IL, 10-30-2002 08:43:39  
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I have 200 lbs of chains on the tires and both are full of Calcium too. If I did not have the chains I would have to plow my drive down hill only! I have around 700 lbs per tire (18.4 X 16s) befor chains. The chain tightener works great to keep them snug. This was my Ferguson TO-30 but those tires are now on the Massey 135 and so will the chains. $250.00 for the chains with shipping and 50.00 for the spring set up. Well worth the cost! Mark H.

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Willy-N A PS on them!

10-30-2002 14:25:09




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 Re: Re: A weighty problem.... in reply to Willy-N, 10-30-2002 14:18:19  
Once on they stay till winter is over! Real bear to get on and adjusted good!!! This year I will try the rope method. Hook a rope to one end drape it over the tire and drive on it pulling the chains up and over as you do. Then just make them straite and hook them up. Mark H.



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tim in pa

10-30-2002 13:05:10




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 Re: A weighty problem.... in reply to Ron from IL, 10-30-2002 08:43:39  
been plowing ~ 1/4 mile driveway for 5 yrs now. i've found the type of snow and amount, as well as the groung condition underneath (frozen, iced, pavement, gravel) all to be factors as effective as the tire/weight/chain combination. after pulling old tires (maybe originals) with calcium in them, there was merely surface rust on rims, wiped off with wd-40 on rag. ran new tires filled with calcium without chains for 2 yrs, nice traction. filled tires with chains - the best combo i've found if you move a lot of white stuff!

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Arne - Idaho

10-30-2002 08:48:04




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 Re: A weighty problem.... in reply to Ron from IL, 10-30-2002 08:43:39  
I am in the same boat. One filled, one not. Since I do not have original rims, I have decided to fill the other one. The way I use my tractor, the weight is good to have.

I understand there is a way to use RV antifreeze that will prevent freezing and is not corrosive like CC.

Good luck with your decision.

Arne



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P.S. Ron from IL

10-30-2002 08:45:45




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 Re: A weighty problem.... in reply to Ron from IL, 10-30-2002 08:43:39  
Is there a better, non-corrosive filler, like RV antifreeze, or something similar? Really showing my ignorance here!

Ron



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Dave OH

10-30-2002 21:00:00




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 Re: Re: A weighty problem.... in reply to P.S. Ron from IL, 10-30-2002 08:45:45  
As Carol Martin said "No one mentioned wheel weights." I also have the iron weights. They may not weigh as much as Calcium Cloride but I keep a sealent in my tires due to those trees I am trying to remove that have spikes that puncture tires like a nail. There is no substitute for "chains" and weight.
Dave OH



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yes . . . Del (WA)

10-30-2002 09:22:01




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 Re: Re: A weighty problem.... in reply to P.S. Ron from IL, 10-30-2002 08:45:45  
Ron..... ...The reason Calcium Chloride (CaCl) is used for loading tires for more traction is its heavier and cheaper and works as anti-freeze. I don't like it because if it leaks and it will, it is death to iron rims. You loose about 50# outta 350# with anti-freeze vs CaCl.

Now days you can get "used" automobile anti-freeze for free (sometimes) and it doesn't eat rubber or iron rims. Some don't like auto-antifreeze because it is poisonous to pets like dogs who like the sweet taste. RV antifreeze (for toilet holding tanks) is NOT poisonous to pets. Remember, you don't haffta protect to -20 degs. Just a couple of gals (outta 28 gals) will make it a slushie and keep it from freezing..... ..Dell

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bg

10-30-2002 10:04:24




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 Re: Re: Re: A weighty problem.... in reply to yes . . . Del (WA), 10-30-2002 09:22:01  
untill last year i just used weighted tires and got stuck atleast a few times a year. last year i got a set of double ring chains and can go through anything so i would say use both.



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Ron from IL

10-30-2002 09:24:59




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 Re: Re: Re: A weighty problem.... in reply to yes . . . Del (WA), 10-30-2002 09:22:01  
Del,

Do you think I'll be able to not use chains if I load the other tire? I've got a pretty steep hill to blade, and need all the traction I can get. Do loaded tires work as well as chains?

Thanks.

Ron



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Mike w

10-30-2002 12:50:15




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: A weighty problem.... in reply to Ron from IL, 10-30-2002 09:24:59  
I found tirechains.com to have one of the best deals on chains..... .....



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Crispy

10-30-2002 11:16:26




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: A weighty problem.... in reply to Ron from IL, 10-30-2002 09:24:59  
I also just purchased two new rims/ tires. Over six hundred bucks. The rims rotted from the chloride, aint puttin that stuff again. And I live in Minnesota.



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Crispy

10-30-2002 11:16:09




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: A weighty problem.... in reply to Ron from IL, 10-30-2002 09:24:59  
I also just purchased two new rims/ tires. Over six hundred bucks. The rims rotted from the chloride, aint puttin that stuff again. And I live in Minnesota.



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MikeC

10-30-2002 10:30:18




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: A weighty problem.... in reply to Ron from IL, 10-30-2002 09:24:59  
I have both chains and anti-freeze loaded tires on my 2N. 2 years ago we had a LOT of snow in central Iowa-my front yard had 4' drifts. My driveway is also quite steep going up from the street to the house. I am able to plow both up AND down with my setup. I can also drive through the drifted snow and not get stuck. I don't advocate getting carried away, but getting stuck with loaded tires and chains would be difficult to do.

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Dell (WA)

10-30-2002 09:56:47




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: A weighty problem.... in reply to Ron from IL, 10-30-2002 09:24:59  
Ron..... ....Chains ALWAYS give you more traction. But most tractor owners don't wannna pay for 'em $$$ About $250 for set for 8N. I don't remember the outfits name that specializes in tractor chains, do web search.

But heres a idea for you. Go visit a BIG TRUCKERS pitstop. They haffta change tire chains every so often because their Insurance Company makes 'em. Can't have company trucks throwing chain parts at cars while speeding down the frozen highway, lawyers you know. Sometimes you can even gittem to give ya..... ...Dell

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Ron from IL

10-30-2002 10:57:57




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: A weighty problem.... in reply to Dell (WA), 10-30-2002 09:56:47  
Thanks Del.

I've already got a set of single (big) ring chains that I've been using on my 2N for the last ten years that I'll probably put back on after I load the other tire. They're a pain to put on, but since I've been using turnbuckles to tension them (last three years), they don't slip AT ALL! Bungees were an exercise in frustration (at least for me)! Nothing more frustrating than to spin off a chain in deep snow and have to go back to the 'barn' to put it back on!

Ron

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Salmoneye

10-30-2002 09:45:44




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: A weighty problem.... in reply to Ron from IL, 10-30-2002 09:24:59  
At least use chains...

If you get on even the slightest 'greasy' spot, all you will do is spin without chains.

I plow here in VT and till this year have had my tires loaded and used double ring chains...still get one or both to spinning at times...and don't even think of trying to stop on a grade after you plow...even if you have the best N brakes of all time...Get your N sideways just once in a slide on a hill and you will understand and appreciate chains...I just bought new rears and am going to try em without loading for a bit...but I would never think of plowing without my chains...

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Jim.UT

10-30-2002 09:33:36




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: A weighty problem.... in reply to Ron from IL, 10-30-2002 09:24:59  
I've got loaded tires and never had a traction problem with no chains, until..... .....

Once last year I was scraping everyone's driveway. I got to the one person with a concrete driveway and for some reason his driveway was slick as an ice rink. I don't think I would have wanted to use chains on his pretty cement anyway.



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Carol Martin

10-30-2002 11:26:37




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: A weighty problem.... in reply to Jim.UT, 10-30-2002 09:33:36  
No one mentioned Wheel weights.. I think that is the best way to go..Wheel weights and Truck chains work fine.. Dual Wheel chains with the center chain removed fit great. I leave mine on year round as I never run on pavement.. I gor weights at salvage yare for $100..Dont know the weight but they are HEAVY...
carol



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