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Dell and willy and everyone advice needed

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rick(ga)

11-15-2002 05:56:39




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I need your advice on cleaning and painting the tractor. I am using a 4.5" grinder with one of those wire brushes to remove the flake, rust, dirt, and loose paint. It is doing the job because I am down to the bare metal on the engine, and all over the place except where paint is sticking so hard the brush won't take it off and I guess, if its demanding to stay attached there for 50 years it's going to stay soI am leaving it.

I am using a solvent like lacquer thinner to wipe it down when I am done, but there doesnt seem to be any end to the grime coming off the bare metal. Every clean rag I use with new solvent comes away dirty.

How far do I need to go with this cleaning? Is primer forgiving that some residue will be ok? Or do I ned to ceal it so good I can lick it with my tongue?

Dell, painting by brush and with air gun? do you spray over the painted areas with the brush within 30 minutes? right away? or let the areas painted by brush dry then paint it with an air gun to hid any brush marks?

Do you use the reducer when you paint by brush? or just the paint and the hardener?

Rick(GA)

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Evil Steve

11-15-2002 07:39:04




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 Re: dell and willy and everyone advice needed in reply to rick(ga), 11-15-2002 05:56:39  
Rick-

I just finished painting Chigger (my 8N). While my intent wasn't to "restore" her (she's a working tractor), the paint job I did looks like a restoration.

Here's what I did for prep and paint:

Pressure washed as much oil and loose paint as I could. But I plastic bagged the distributor, oil fill, etc. to keep out water. Drained all fluids and removed hood, fenders, grill, seat, starter, generator, distributor, carb, manifold, air cleaning assembly, oil filter assembly, wiring, radiator, fan, etc. so as to get to as much of the block/tranny/rear-end as possible without having to completely disassemble the tractor. Along the way, I labeled wires and put DUCT tape (masking tape will come off) over openings in order to keep water/paint/dust etc. out.

Then I used a 3" wire brush on my drill and about 4 sheets of 200 grit sandpaper to remove all LOOSE paint. It isn't necessary to remove ALL paint unless you are doing a proper restoration and some will say that isn't even necessary for full resoration. That took some 10 hours of prep.

Then I hauled her bach outside and washed her with mild dishwashing soap and water to remove dust ad remaining oil/soot. Why mild soap? You MUST and I mean MUST not have any residual petroleum-based cleaners on your metal or paint will not adhere properly. The process you are using (laquer thinner, etc.) WILL leave deposits so you are gonna have to wash, wash, wash with mild soap to get it all off.

Then I bought two 2" medium quality brushes, 2 quarts of TISCO Ford red, 2 qts Tisco Ford grey paint, and 4 cans of the same in the spray cans.

I hand brushed UNTHINNED paint on the main tractor. Every 15-20 minutes I went back over the fresh paint with one light coat of spray can. That helps even out the brush strokes, but I found that it isn't necessary on the cast iron parts. The paint flattens out nicely on it own in 10 hours or so. Flat aluminum and smooth parts (like oil assembly, fan blade etc.) require a thin coat of brush followed by two coats of spray can spaced 15-20 minutes apart.

I took the sheet metal to a paint shop and had them sand blast, prime, and paint those parts. Didn't feel I could get those right with brush or roller and I don't have a spray rig. Cost $265 so not bad and it looks great. Personally, hardener is not necssary. That stuff's pretty durable, but you might wanna add UV to keep the paint bright for longer.

I'll post pics when she's back together.

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thasnk you EvilSteve

11-15-2002 11:01:06




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 Re: Re: dell and willy and everyone advice needed in reply to Evil Steve, 11-15-2002 07:39:04  
Rick(GA)



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Oh yeah, AND... Evil Steve

11-15-2002 08:04:15




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 Re: Re: dell and willy and everyone advice needed in reply to Evil Steve, 11-15-2002 07:39:04  
... used rust converter on bare metal/rust areas. Must let this dry for a minimum of 4 hours before you paint. No need to prime those areas though.



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Oh yeah, AND... Evil Steve

11-15-2002 08:03:30




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 Re: Re: dell and willy and everyone advice needed in reply to Evil Steve, 11-15-2002 07:39:04  
... used rust converter on bare metal/rust areas. Must let this dry for a minimum of 4 hours before you paint. No need to prime those areas though.



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Willy-N

11-15-2002 06:50:18




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 Re: dell and willy and everyone advice needed in reply to rick(ga), 11-15-2002 05:56:39  
Use some Purple Castrol Cleaner to soak it first for around 10-15 minuits then presure wash the grime off. It will save you a lot of scrubing with the wire brush. The grease on it is making it harder for the wire wheel to remove paint do to lubercating the wheel ends. If you leave grime on when you paint it it will flake off or show the lumps. Mark H.



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I'm inside my attached garage to the house

11-15-2002 07:00:00




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 Re: Re: dell and willy and everyone advice needed in reply to Willy-N, 11-15-2002 06:50:18  
i can't pressure wash it inside. but i did use castrol super cleaner to remove the grease and oil when it was sitting outside. It's just a matter of paint, and old dirt in the crevices now, more than anyhting else. only grease is on the ends of ties rods and that's it and that is gone for the most part too.

maybe, i will wipe it down with super cleaner after all of the paint id off with rags, then, wipe it with lacquer thinner and get a hand wire brush and scrub tghe crevices and call it good?

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Is Dell up and out of bed yet?

11-15-2002 07:03:33




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 Re: Re: Re: dell and willy and everyone advice needed in reply to I'm inside my attached garage to the house, 11-15-2002 07:00:00  
I need Dell I am ready to clean it for the last time and paint it.



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yumph . . . Dell (WA)

11-15-2002 10:39:50




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: dell and willy and everyone advice needed in reply to Is Dell up and out of bed yet? , 11-15-2002 07:03:33  
Rick..... ...sounds like everyone else has given you some pretty good advice..... ....the sleepy Dell (yawn)



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yumph?

11-15-2002 14:28:41




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: dell and willy and everyone advice needed in reply to yumph . . . Dell (WA), 11-15-2002 10:39:50  
yumph? yumph? what is THAT?!! You been talking to the sheeps too long....



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