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O.T Trouble with Beavers killing trees.

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Roland Jackson

12-29-2002 18:19:01




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Kathy and I recently built our house on the banks of the Pawnee River. Since we moved in, we have noticed an increased amount of damage to the trees caused by Beavers. I would rather not kill them...just trap them and haul them far, far away. Any information on what they eat and how one would go about traping them would be appreciated.




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Ward - please talk to the Beaver ....ThompsoN

12-30-2002 08:17:16




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 Re: O.T Trouble with Beavers killing trees. in reply to Roland Jackson, 12-29-2002 18:19:01  
Roland, I have fought beavers numerous times. In our valley, on a year when the average river level is too high for the beavers to damn they move out into our pastures and start damning water as it flows to the river. The result is a huge loss of tress and pasture land. Because they benefit the river in times of low water we have tried unsuccessfully for years to discourage them from the pasture damming without destroying them.

To make a long story short; if they've moved in where you don't want them you're gonna have to get rid of them in a positive manner (ie shoot or trap rather than "SHOO")

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Tom WY

12-29-2002 21:47:59




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 Re: O.T Trouble with Beavers killing trees. in reply to Roland Jackson, 12-29-2002 18:19:01  
I have a friend with the same problem. After several months fighting a loosing battle, he decided to take more agressive action with his Winchester .22 WMR. He said that works! Remember, it takes a lot longer to grow a 40' Aspen tree than a 30# beaver.



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Land and Water Management Division

12-29-2002 20:43:03




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 Re: O.T Trouble with Beavers killing trees. in reply to Roland Jackson, 12-29-2002 18:19:01  
Mr. Ryan De Vries

2088 Dagget Pierson, MI 49339


Dear Mr. DeVries:


SUBJECT: DEQ File No. 97-59-0023-1 T11N, R10W, Sec. 20, Montcalm County


It has come to the attention of the Department of Environmental Quality that there has been recent unauthorized activity on the above-referenced parcel of property. You have been certified as the legal landowner and/or contractor who did the following unauthorized activity: Construction and maintenance of two wood debris dams across the outlet stream of Spring Pond. A permit must be issued prior to the start of this type of activity. A review of the Department's files shows that no permits have been issued. Therefore, the Department has determined that this activity is in violation of Part 301, Inland Lakes and Streams, of the Natural Resource and Environmental Protection Act, Act 451 of the Public Acts of 1994, being sections 324.30101 to 324.30113 of the Michigan Compiled Laws, annotated.

The Department has been informed that one or both of the dams partially failed during a recent rain event, causing debris and flooding at downstream locations. We find that dams of this nature are inherently hazardous and cannot be permitted. The Department therefore orders you to cease and desist all unauthorized activities at this location, and to restore the stream to a free-flow condition by removing all wood and brush forming the dams from the stream channel. All restoration work shall be completed no later than January 31,1998.

Please notify this office when the restoration has been completed so that a follow-up site inspection may be scheduled by our staff. Failure to comply with this request or any further unauthorized activity on the site may result in this case being referred for elevated enforcement action.

We anticipate and would appreciate your full cooperation in this matter. Please feel free to contact me at this office if you have any questions. Sincerely, David L. Price District Representative Land and Water Management Division

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Land Owner

12-29-2002 20:43:56




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 Re: Re: O.T Trouble with Beavers killing trees. in reply to Land and Water Management Division, 12-29-2002 20:43:03  
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Dear Mr. Price:


Re: DEQ File No. 97-59-0023; T11N, R10W, Sec 20;Montcalm County


Your certified letter dated 12/17/97 has been handed to me to respond to. You sent out a great deal of carbon copies to a lot of people, but you neglected to include their addresses. You will, therefore, have to send them a copy of my response.

First of all, Mr. Ryan De Vries is not the legal landowner and/or contractor at 2088 Dagget, Pierson, Michigan - I am the legal owner and a couple of beavers are in the (State unauthorized) process of constructing and maintaining two wood "debris" dams across the outlet stream of my Spring Pond. While I did not pay for, authorize, nor supervised their dam project, I think they would be highly offended that you call their skillful use of natural building materials "debris." I would like to challenge your department to attempt to emulate their dam project any time and/or any place you choose. I believe I can safely state there is no way you could ever match their dam skills, their dam resourcefulness, their dam ingenuity, their dam persistence, their dam determination and/or their dam work ethic.

As to your request, I do not think the beavers are aware that they first must fill out a dam permit prior to the start of this type of dam activity. My first dam question to you is: (1) are you trying to discriminate against my Spring Pond Beavers or (2) do you require all beavers throughout this State to conform to said dam request? If you are not discriminating against these particular beavers, through the Freedom of Information Act I request completed copies of all those other applicable beaver dam permits that have been issued. Perhaps we will see if there really is a dam violation of Part 301, Inland Lakes and Streams, of the Natural Resource and Environmental Protection Act, Act 451of the Public Acts of 1994,being sections 324.30101 to 324.30113 of the Michigan Compiled Laws, annotated.

I have several concerns.

My first concern is - aren't the beavers entitled to legal representation? The Spring Pond Beavers are financially destitute and are unable to pay for said representation - so the State will have to provide them with a dam lawyer. The Department's dam concern that either one or both of the dams failed during a recent rain event causing flooding is proof that this is a natural occurrence which the department is required to protect. In other words, we should leave the Spring Pond Beavers alone rather than harassing them and calling their dam names.

If you want the stream "restored" to a dam free-flow condition - please contact the beavers - but if you are going to arrest them (they obviously did not pay any attention to your dam letter -- being unable to read English) -- be sure they are read the Miranda rights first. As for me, I am not going to cause more flooding or dam debris jams by interfering with these dam builders. If you want to hurt these dam beavers -- be aware I am sending a copy of your dam letter and this response to PETA. If your dam Department seriously finds all dams of this nature inherently hazardous and truly will not permit their existence in this State -- I seriously hope you are not selectively enforcing this dam policy - or once again both I and the Spring Pond Beavers will scream prejudice!

In my humble opinion, the Spring Pond Beavers have a right to build their unauthorized dams as long as the sky is blue, the grass is green and water flows downstream. They have more dam right than I do to live and enjoy Spring Pond. If the Department of Natural Resources and Environmental Protection lives to its name, it should protect the natural resources (Beavers) and the environment (Beavers' Dams). So, as far as the beavers and I are concerned, this dam case can be referred for more elevated enforcement action right now. Why wait until 1/31/98? The Spring Pond Beavers may be under the dam ice then and there will be no way for you or your dam staff to contact/harass them then.

In conclusion, I would like to bring to your attention a real environmental quality (health) problem in the area. It is the bears. Bears are actually defecating in our woods. I definitely believe you should be persecuting the defecating bears and leave the beavers alone. If you are going to investigate the beaver dam, watch your step! (The bears are not careful where they dump!)

Being unable to comply with your dam request, and being unable to contact you on your dam answering machine, I am sending this response to your dam office via another government organization - the dam USPS. Maybe, someday, it will get there.


Sincerely,


Stephen L. Tvedten

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3-mile Dave

12-29-2002 20:30:29




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 Re: O.T Trouble with Beavers killing trees. in reply to Roland Jackson, 12-29-2002 18:19:01  
Well First, let us make your question legal to this TRACTOR forum. Park your tractor between their drag trails and let it run all night. What I do in the U.P. of Michigan is to try to discourage them. Beaver need three things: food, shelter and water. If your take away one of the three, they leave. Contact your DNR and get help. Also if they are building dams, destroy the kaupher dams below the main dam and plant PVC pipes through the dam. (10' perferated upstream of the dam and a 5' solid piece through the dam, ending approx. 2' below the dam). Use about 5 to 8 of the 15' pieces supported on both sides of the dam with iron fence posts in H or goal post design. Stack and tie them down. Beaver follow sound and current of leaking water. The perforated pipes cannot be plugged. Keep taking out the downstream kaupher dams used by beaver to slow the leaks in the upstream dams. After about 4 to 6 weeks on destroying the kaupher dams and their inability to repair the leaking (pipes) of the main dam, they usually move on to less aggravating shorelines. Dynamite, as mentioned is most effective. There again, I would contact your local DNR. Good Luck!!!!

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Phil (NJ-AZ-SK)

12-29-2002 23:08:11




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 Re: Re: O.T Trouble with Beavers killing trees. in reply to 3-mile Dave, 12-29-2002 20:30:29  
3 mile Dave, That is the best idea i have ever seen on the control of beaver dams....

Thanks,



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bg

12-29-2002 20:11:02




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 Re: O.T Trouble with Beavers killing trees. in reply to Roland Jackson, 12-29-2002 18:19:01  
You are an interloper on the natural environment of these sweet little woodland creatures. You have violated their rights and you must immediately burn down your house and move to the city! You brute!

Having said all of that tree-hugger mess, I think they make great target practice for a .223. There is no market for meat nor hides. Nobody wears beaver hats any more and the merkin market is dead. They ain't worth trappin'. Around here, we dynamite the dams, kill beavers at any opportunity. They kill off the trees so the wetlands become bogs, the ponds become mosquito-breeding grounds and the land doesn't drain.

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OH Boy

12-29-2002 19:37:03




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 Re: O.T Trouble with Beavers killing trees. in reply to Roland Jackson, 12-29-2002 18:19:01  
They eat trees! Thats what they are doing on your riverbank, chewing down trees to use for food and dam material.

No way I know of to trap them live. Maybe someone else has a method they can share. I prefer to trap them in conibear traps underwater, so they drown fast. You place the trap at the entrance to their lodge. Or, if you can see where they crawl in and out of the water you can place a trap there, You might have to put some sticks into the riverbottom to sort of 'herd' them into an opening where you have placed the trap.

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norbert kanzler

12-29-2002 20:26:25




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 Re: Re: O.T Trouble with Beavers killing trees. in reply to OH Boy, 12-29-2002 19:37:03  
You did not say where you live but if you have any sled dog drivers near you they will pay for the beaver meat Is great food for sled dogs



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