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I'm the Bad Guy who sold the 8N twice

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Rob

12-30-2002 14:30:59




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Gentlemen on this fine forum.... I am the one who took another offer after having a verbal agreement with Dan on the 8N. Dan, like most of the other people that I have met or delt with through this site, is a nice guy and a fellow 8N/Ford tractor enthusiast. We all love these tractors and like to think that dealing with others through this site would be a neighborly experience. I am very sorry for what I did...It was WRONG. At the time, the extra $550 that I was offered was very important to me. I truly could use the extra money. My taxes and other financial burdens would have been easier to deal with. I also did not realize how much response and interest my classified would bring. (in other words, I sold it too soon)I would love to fix this 8N up like many others that I have tinkered on over the past ten years. My ongoing chronic back problems prevent me from working on them at all anymore. I am not looking for sympathy at all....my financial woes and back problems have nothing to do with Dan. It was a selfish act to have broken our verbal agreement and it made me look like a greedy con artist. I apoligize Dan, you have every right to be angry. I have never done this before...it does not feel good and it was not cool. I have purchased and sold many tractors and ATV's...so I know a man's word should be trusted. I would have expected your word to be good as well. I'm sure it was. Please forgive me.
I certainly do not want others to think that I am the dishonest "crook" that I have made myself out to be. The tractor is everything I said it was. It was purchased new in 1952 by a fellow about 12 miles from my home. I am the third owner. If it's any consolation, the guy who offered me the $3000 called me this morning, sounding as if he was crying. His wife threatened to kick him out if he buys the tractor. He backed out on the deal. I guess what comes around goes around after all! I had it coming. I also want to apoligize to the rest of you on this forum. My selfish act caused the posting of negative garbage that we do not need to see on this forum.

Sincerely,

Rob Gross

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Evil Steve

12-31-2002 08:31:13




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 Re: I'm the Bad Guy who sold the 8N twice in reply to Rob, 12-30-2002 14:30:59  
Rob-

Thank you for your sincere apology. I believe that the vast majority of people on this Board live by simple principles - honesty and integrity among others. Because many share and live by these principles, incidents such as this tend to raise a lot of comment.

I also replied to Dan's message and was not at all supportive of what transpired. Having read your post I am sure you indeed regret that incident and have properly atoned for it.

Best wishes,

"Evil" Steve Stendebach

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Shuddakeptmybigmouthshut----------Dan J

12-31-2002 04:36:50




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 Re: I'm the Bad Guy who sold the 8N twice in reply to Rob, 12-30-2002 14:30:59  
Rob, My wife is right (again) in saying that sometimes my mouth lets the clutch out before my brain is in gear. I used this forum to vent a little and thats not what it is for. I got called foolish for buying something I had not seen and a "cheat and a crook" for trying to buy the tractor for that price. You didn't fare much better in the responses to my earlier post. I don't believe that either one of us are crooks and I'm sorry that I started this whole mess. Lets get back to fixin' the little grey tractors. Your apology is cheerfully accepted and maybe we can each gain a friend thru the experience. May you and your family enjoy a prosperous and healthy New Year._____ _ Dan J

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Steve SA

12-31-2002 14:08:18




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 Re: Re: I'm the Bad Guy who sold the 8N twice in reply to Shuddakeptmybigmouthshut----------Dan J, 12-31-2002 04:36:50  
You both sound like you have good hearts and want to take advantage of no one. No damage done. Let's get back to the tractor talk. Steve



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Ultradog MN

12-30-2002 20:36:42




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 Re: I'm the Bad Guy who sold the 8N twice in reply to Rob, 12-30-2002 14:30:59  
Rob,
I saw your ad that night. Thought about coming out from Minnesota for that one. That tractor if it is as you described, was selling real cheap.
But who's to know? You came back with another ad later. I think it was the same night, and said the tractor was sold. I'll bet your phone lines were burning off the house!!

I think you ought to be willing to give it to the first guy that you agreed with. And at that price.
And it's a tough lesson.
But I also think that you're a pretty decent sort to fess up like you did. That's a tougher lesson.
And you passed it well.

But I keep thinking there's another lesson here. If the tractor is as he described it in his ad I don't blame Dan J for being upset.
But can I, knowing now what Rob knows, expect him to sell it for that price?
Or should I, knowing now what Dan J knows, expect him to buy it for that price? There's two partys have to make a deal.
Maybe there's some room for a meeting in the middle somwhere.

Oh and by the way Hey Rob, got anymore tractors out there you're looking to get rid of?
Ultradog

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Dave OH

12-30-2002 23:47:12




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 Re: Re: I'm the Bad Guy who sold the 8N twice in reply to Ultradog MN, 12-30-2002 20:36:42  
I'm not as confused as you! There is no middle! If you make a deal you keep it. If Dan J is still willing to buy it at the agreed price it should be sold at that price. Period!
Dave OH



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Ultradog MN

12-31-2002 05:27:04




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 Re: Re: Re: I'm the Bad Guy who sold the 8N twice in reply to Dave OH, 12-30-2002 23:47:12  
Well Dave,
Maybe you're right. Perhaps I am confused.
I was just thinking that in light of all that's come out here on this subject that there might be a way to make both of them feel a little better.
I'm a carpenter/contractor. I have to go write bids for people all the time. And I give them my word on a price, even sign the paper.
Usually as I go into the deal I know enough of the facts and figures and prices that I can give them a pretty realistic bid.
But sometimes I didn't see something or something else costs more or took longer than I expected
and then I can only hope the other party will renegotiate.
Some people understand that you can make mistakes and will "meet you in the middle" somewhere.

Others will hold a hard line and say it's my fault for not knowing the facts of the deal or not looking close enough and only pay what they agreed to. And I'll be the last guy to say that they're not within their right.
But I will say that the people I prefer to work for, the ones that I respect the most, the ones that I find to be the most honorable, are the ones that have a little compassion for you and understand that we all make blunders now and then, and will pay you a little more. If that makes me seem confused to you I wont tell you that you're wrong.

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Willy-N

12-31-2002 21:42:54




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: I'm the Bad Guy who sold the 8N twice in reply to Ultradog MN, 12-31-2002 05:27:04  
That is the strange part about contracting. They want a bid to do the work. They want you to be fair doing it. You try to be fair and give them the best price you can. Then if you miss something they say you gave me a bid and want you to stick to it. Is that fair? Now they do not want you to put a buffer on the job to cover these things! So I allways told them time and material is the best price. You get what you pay for and there is no padding. Did most of my work that way for around 13 years except the big jobs and I had to pad them. Mark H.

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Greg G

12-30-2002 20:20:07




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 Re: I'm the Bad Guy who sold the 8N twice in reply to Rob, 12-30-2002 14:30:59  
Being a police officer I see daily people that try to justify their wrongdoings by saying or doing whatever. It is extremely refreshing to hear from someone that will standup and admit they made a mistake. My hat is off to you and you have my deepest respect for doing what you did. Good luck in the upcoming new year and if the occassion arises I personally would have no problem whatso ever dealing with you.
Just goes to show that one is never to old to learn from our experiences.

Greg G

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Roger (WA)

12-30-2002 19:43:18




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 Re: I'm the Bad Guy who sold the 8N twice in reply to Rob, 12-30-2002 14:30:59  
A man's character is defined by what he does when he thinks no one is looking. And sometimes when he makes a public apology. Thank you Rob for the fine example you have exhibited to us and I thank God that you are a member of this forum.
Roger



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Mike

12-30-2002 19:27:35




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 Re: I'm the Bad Guy who sold the 8N twice in reply to Rob, 12-30-2002 14:30:59  
Rob,

You got exactly what you had coming to you, I just hope anyone who reads the 2 posts, the one about you and the one by you, will not deal with you, you can't be trusted to keep your word, that's the bottom line.

Mike



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Sean

12-30-2002 19:23:27




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 Re: I'm the Bad Guy who sold the 8N twice in reply to Rob, 12-30-2002 14:30:59  
Since I chimed in on the other post, I'll concur with everyone here in commending Rob for stepping up to the plate. In today's society, where it appears that refusal to accept responsibility for ones action is the norm, it is heartening to witness someone of high character and humility such as Rob.

You sir, have made my evening. Best of luck to you in the future and with the New Year!



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Jim Cox (SW Missouri)

12-30-2002 19:15:56




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 Re: I'm the Bad Guy who sold the 8N twice in reply to Rob, 12-30-2002 14:30:59  
Hey Rob: would you mind talking to my wife about a few things? Just kidding. The apology shows a strong calcium deposit in the spinal area. Ain't nuthin' wrong with admitting you weren't right. Happy Holidays
Jim Cox



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Rick H. Ga.

12-30-2002 19:14:17




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 Re: I'm the Bad Guy who sold the 8N twice in reply to Rob, 12-30-2002 14:30:59  
Hi Rob,

I admire you for your well-written statement about your tractor selling experience. I’m sure everyone can tell it came from the heart. If it is any consolation to you, I’m sure you are not the first person to have had an experience like this or to make a mistake like this.

I have noticed a nice 3-pt hitch smoothing harrow sitting in a man’s yard near my home. There are some other items near the harrow that have a for sale sign on them. Today, I stopped by and inquired about the harrow. The man said it had been for sale but someone had already paid him for it about two months ago and had not come and got it yet. He said that another man stopped by and offered him more money than he had sold it to the other man for, but he told him he could not sell it because money had already changed hands. (If no money had changed hands yet, this would have been a similar situation to yours.) He also said he could have sold the harrow numerous times after the other guy had paid him for it (and for more money).

This was an older man, probably retired, and had to constantly tell people the harrow was already sold and deal with the temptation of having to turn down more money than he originally sold it for.

This brings up the issue of having a buyer take delivery of their purchase in a timely manner. Personally, I think two months is a long time to have to big piece of farm equipment sit in the sellers yard waiting for the new owner to come and get it.

Buying and selling has been going on for thousands of years. I doubt that any of us has perfected the technique.

Rick H. Ga.

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Carl

12-31-2002 02:51:36




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 Re: Re: I'm the Bad Guy who sold the 8N twice in reply to Rick H. Ga., 12-30-2002 19:14:17  
That brings up a good question. How long should you be expected to store something after it is sold? I looked at an old Cub this summer. I would be willing give $500 maybe $600 at the most for it in its condition. The guy said he sold it a year ago for $800 and he hasn't heard from that guy since. So the guy told me he would only take $800 for it so if that guy ever does return he can just refund his money. I think the guy must have gone off and died or something. It's at this guys business and he is short of parking space. It is setting on a two axels eight-wheel trailer that the guy said he would take $700 for. I might buy the trailer once I sell my house and at that time see if he will lower the price for the Cub. I don't think anyone else is going to pay the $800 again. How long should this guy keep the tractor for that guy at that price? I don't blame him but seems there got to be a time limit at some point. Any words of wisdom that I can use to get the guy to come down on the price?

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Don, Luling LA

12-30-2002 17:54:01




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 Re: I'm the Bad Guy who sold the 8N twice in reply to Rob, 12-30-2002 14:30:59  
Rob,
I don't know that you are that bad of a guy. I looked at the situation from a sellers point as I also looked at it from the buyers point. I have put things up for sale quit a few times myself and have had someone say they were going to buy the equipment and never showed up to take it. In the mean time told other buyers that the equipment is already sold, so lost the sale to other buyers. It's hard to know how honest a buyer is just by a phone call, the same goes with a seller. Just look at what happened with the guy who offered the 3000 dollars, he didn't come through, you can never know for sure what the other person will do. Now if you would have taken a deposit and then sold the tractor out from under the guy who made the deposit, then you would be for sure dishonest.
Just my opinion on the matter
Don

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Capt Jack

12-30-2002 16:56:52




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 Re: I'm the Bad Guy who sold the 8N twice in reply to Rob, 12-30-2002 14:30:59  
I agree with everyone it hard to eat crow pie. Yet, like burt says lets see what happens with you and Dan..The proof is always in the pudding.
Have a safe new year.



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heybusdriver

12-30-2002 16:54:15




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 Re: I'm the Bad Guy who sold the 8N twice in reply to Rob, 12-30-2002 14:30:59  
I commend you on your post, but I myself in my opinion don't think you were that much to blame, in my experience, I have had many people offer me a price over the phone without seeing the product they are buying, I refuse to take their offer until they come and see exactly what they are buying. WE can all get hung up in the excitement of a sale , all hoping to make the grand finalle price, but doesn't always work the way we hope, and we sometimes end getting less than we wanted. That's what capitalism is all about, what it is worth to you may not be as valuable to someone else, you win some you lose some. Again I commend you on your courage to post, not everyone is honest. Stan

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9n141

12-30-2002 16:31:45




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 Re: I'm the Bad Guy who sold the 8N twice in reply to Rob, 12-30-2002 14:30:59  
That took a lot to send that post, but your not done until you make every effort to get the tractor delivered to Dan @ the orig agreed price. BURT>



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Steve SA

12-30-2002 16:24:17




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 Re: I'm the Bad Guy who sold the 8N twice in reply to Rob, 12-30-2002 14:30:59  
Rob, you just went up a ca-zillion notches in the minds of probably all of us. We all make mistakes. The issue is how we respond when confronted with the mistake. King David, in the Old Testament, made a series of blunders recorded in II Samuel 11 including adultery and murder. When Nathan, God's prophet, pointed out to David how wrong he was he confessed it. God later referred to David as "a man after God's own heart." You were a great example to all of us. Thanks, Steve

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MikeC

12-30-2002 16:01:43




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 Re: I'm the Bad Guy who sold the 8N twice in reply to Rob, 12-30-2002 14:30:59  
Rob,
The strength of your character shows through in your post. Clearly this one a one time mistake and I admire you for posting this message. This should be a lesson to all of us about character.



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Jack

12-30-2002 15:53:48




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 Re: I'm the Bad Guy who sold the 8N twice in reply to Rob, 12-30-2002 14:30:59  
WOW!!!! That took cajones.



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Tim 2N-NY

12-30-2002 15:28:16




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 Re: I'm the Bad Guy who sold the 8N twice in reply to Rob, 12-30-2002 14:30:59  
What a refreshing change! Someone who takes responsibility for his actions, and admits his mistake. To have the nerve to post to this board, instead of ignoring the mistake, shows true character. Thank you Rob.



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We're speechless.....................Jim.UT

12-30-2002 15:04:32




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 Re: I'm the Bad Guy who sold the 8N twice in reply to Rob, 12-30-2002 14:30:59  
Someone actually confesses that what he did was wrong and apologizes..... ..wow! We don't see that too often.

Maybe that's why your post has been here for 30 minutes with NO response!



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Steve 541

12-30-2002 15:04:16




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 Re: I'm the Bad Guy who sold the 8N twice in reply to Rob, 12-30-2002 14:30:59  
I've got to save this as a model of how to apologze when I screw up again (which is certain). A class apology for all the world to see with everything laid on the table. I salute you Rob. Steve



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Hayman

12-30-2002 23:26:23




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 Re: Re: I'm the Bad Guy who sold the 8N twice in reply to Steve 541, 12-30-2002 15:04:16  
I have learned from these posts that I would tell the buyers the first one with a certified draft in U.S. funds gets the advertized piece.And take it now please,if you must leave it ,pay storage in advance as a comeback incentive. As former President Reagan said; "Trust,but verify." As a buyer I always pick up a bought item A.S.A.P. 'cause you never know.Bought a stationary power unit once.I told the fellow I would be back in 2 hours,please wait till I get back before moving it.He didn't wait.Igot back and all the tin work was mangled 'cause he dropped it off the forklift. "You bought it that way." he countered.So chalk up another learning curve for the hayman.

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