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Thinking of New N-vention

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Sam (Mo.)

12-19-2000 06:29:24




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We live on 6 acres with, I think, 64 big oak and hickory trees. Naturally, some tree trimming needs to be done, at least of some lower branches.

I'm thinking about taking a 10' straight aluminum ladder and bolting it good and solid, at a slight angle, to my rear-mounted dirt scoop. Then I could go from tree to tree with the tractor, park it in various positions, and climb to the top of the ladder with a chain saw to do the job. Obviously, I'll have to be careful and NOT drop limbs on my beloved "N".

Taking advantage of the lift, I should be able to get the top of the ladder about 12' off the ground this way. Maybe I could even attach the saw to the top of the ladder with a strap so I don't have to carry the saw up and down?

It seems to me that this will be safer and easier than dragging a ladder from tree to tree and trying to lean it on a tree trunk or limb to climb. So, whattya think? Will it work, am I gonna wreck myself, and has anyone done it this way before? Thanks, - Sam

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Buster

12-19-2000 18:52:10




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 Re: Thinking of New N-vention in reply to Sam (Mo.), 12-19-2000 06:29:24  
Give me your name and address. I'd like to buy a life insurance policy on you. :-)



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fast ed ohio

12-19-2000 16:14:38




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 Re: Thinking of New N-vention in reply to Sam (Mo.), 12-19-2000 06:29:24  
this would be a tuff act to follow.



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JimNC

12-19-2000 15:32:44




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 Re: Thinking of New N-vention in reply to Sam (Mo.), 12-19-2000 06:29:24  
Before you make your N a widow how bout will it to one of us.Go buy a pole saw, you can reach about 8 to 10 ft. with one.



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Sam (Mo.)

12-19-2000 11:15:34




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 Re: Thinking of New N-vention in reply to Sam (Mo.), 12-19-2000 06:29:24  
O.K. - back to the drawing board with that one. Thanks, everyone, for the more-or-less unanimous advice that this idea sounds unsafe. I'll think about it some more and ask for your thoughts again before I actually do anything about this.

BTW, I was surprised at a couple of comments about the hydraulic lift not being stable enough for this. I run a stabilizer bar on each side, so side-to-side sway is only a couple of inches. Both my tractors, parked and not running, will hold a dirt scoop plus 200 lbs. for at least half a day without dropping. So - am I just fortunate with my hydraulics? I thought that's the way they're supposed to do! Thanks again, everyone.

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Bill in Houston

12-19-2000 19:43:46




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 Re: Re: Thinking of New N-vention in reply to Sam (Mo.), 12-19-2000 11:15:34  
Sam;

Even though the bottom may "only" sway a couple of inches, at the top, it would seem like feet.

I don't like the idea of using a chain saw in an elevated position. I'd use a bow saw and a full body harness and tie off above the limb you are cutting.

I think you idea has possibilities. Perhaps a "carry-all" type platform with the ladder attached to the platorm and a couple of 6x4's running up the back with a 2x8 across to strap the ladder to. the have some stabilizer jacks to hold it steady. 3x3x¼" angle would work also. I'd bolt it on with ½" or bigger bolts. use at least three so that puppy won't move.

If I read you right, you want to move about the ~64 trees and trim as needed, with minimal effort. i.e. not having to drag the ladder out each time, loading the cut limbs, etc. If I was doing it, I'd build it stout and secure. with the possibility I'd use it for other things... which I tend to do.

Good luck and remember, safety first.
Bill

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the best thing you did

12-19-2000 10:00:54




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 Re: Thinking of New N-vention in reply to Sam (Mo.), 12-19-2000 06:29:24  
was to aske the question before you did it. a lesson sometimes hard to take. We expect you to live long enough to keep the questions coming.



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rossow (mn)

12-19-2000 09:40:36




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 Re: Thinking of New N-vention in reply to Sam (Mo.), 12-19-2000 06:29:24  
Please, before you go out to work, tell your soon-to-be-survivors how to contact this board. Somebody here may be interested in buying your N from your estate. (In other words, come up with a different plan.)



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hey busdriver

12-19-2000 09:17:42




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 Re: Thinking of New N-vention in reply to Sam (Mo.), 12-19-2000 06:29:24  
Well Sam, I think you would find it to unstable, but what about afixing the ladder solid to the 3point hitch and when you get to the desired position lower the hitch to hold the bottom of the ladder on the ground, kind of like having some-one hold the ladder for you. You could even put 3 point hitch pins and a 3 point arm to hold the ladder from tipping, slipping oput from underneath you etc.
Stan

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swavo

12-19-2000 18:02:06




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 Re: Re: Thinking of New N-vention in reply to hey busdriver, 12-19-2000 09:17:42  
you're kidding, right??
is this one of those fake questions to see how many of us will answer? you KIDDER?#@%$?



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Mike OH

12-19-2000 09:10:53




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 Re: Thinking of New N-vention in reply to Sam (Mo.), 12-19-2000 06:29:24  
Sam - I hate to admit that a similar idea had crossed my mind too. That was to put a 15 foot ladder in my front end loader bucket to give me extended reach when painting my barn. Glad that was only a fleeting thought and that I didn't do it. Your idea sounds too risky to me. Mixing a chain saw and a ladder is risky enough, but then adding the lift of a three point makes it all the more dangerous. My opinion would be to keep that ladder on the ground and properly braced against the tree. Be safe.

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norm-wy

12-19-2000 08:05:42




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 Re: Thinking of New N-vention in reply to Sam (Mo.), 12-19-2000 06:29:24  
Sam
Your idea has potential that far outstrips the capability of your 10' ladder. Of course this is just MHO. Those aluminum ladders are designed to be supported at both ends. When you cantilever (attach at one end) your ladder and then put a 175 man and chainsaw 10' up there, you have a 10' lever arm which gives you the potential of exerting as much as 10 times 175 or 1750 foot pounds of torque on the end of the ladder. It sounds to me like you will have to worry about dropping more than limbs on your beloved "N". However, remember that free advice is worth every cent you pay for it. :o) MY $0.02 worth

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Hilltopper

12-19-2000 08:01:18




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 Re: Thinking of New N-vention in reply to Sam (Mo.), 12-19-2000 06:29:24  
If you are only going 12 feet in the air you would still need the stabilizers on the three point to keep the ladder from swinging. Also a "foot" under the bucket to keep it from leaking down. Remember, there are two or three people killed every year by falling buckets and combine heads when they don't flip down the "transporters." By the way, I am working on a little doo-dad that might interest some N owners. Take care!

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Bill OH

12-19-2000 11:46:18




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 Re: Re: Thinking of New N-vention in reply to Hilltopper, 12-19-2000 08:01:18  
What sort of "do-dad"???



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Hilltopper

12-19-2000 13:43:55




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 Re: Re: Re: Thinking of New N-vention in reply to Bill OH, 12-19-2000 11:46:18  
A winter air filter for easier starts. I think I know of a way to do this as soon as I get a filter dimension catalog from K&N. Never hurts to try.



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fast ed ohio

12-19-2000 17:53:36




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Thinking of New N-vention in reply to Hilltopper, 12-19-2000 13:43:55  
sounds like you might have a good idea , go for it bill.



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fast ed ohio

12-19-2000 17:50:20




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Thinking of New N-vention in reply to Hilltopper, 12-19-2000 13:43:55  
sounds like you might have a good idea , go for it



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Dell (WA)

12-19-2000 07:22:56




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 Re: Thinking of New N-vention in reply to Sam (Mo.), 12-19-2000 06:29:24  
Sam..... ....me thinks ya' gotts too much time on your hands (grin).

The idea is seductive, a hydraulic ladder lift.

Practical matter, unless you've just rebuilt your hydraulics, they won't stay up very long and your ladder will sink down and away from the object of your saw. 2ndly, you really got to be driver to aim that wobbly ol' ladder to where you want to go.

I've opperated bucket man lifts with the controls right at your hand, and just a "touch" will send you all over the place. I like the semi-solid feel of a ladder supported on both ends, ground and against tree trunk.

I too, have a lot of tree limb pruning, and swinging and swaying at the top of my 40' ladder is not "fun" and downright bladder relieving.

I have a 12" trimming chainsaw that I can operate 1 handed. I cut the offending limb off very carefully (so it doesn't pinch the sawblade) about 2 ft away from the main trunk , then I cut the stub flush with the trunk.

Bottom line, I don't like your idea, sorry..... ..... Dell

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