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Heavy subject, Wheels with Calcium

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Rich, NJ

01-07-2003 08:29:29




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As I'm finishing up the final issues on Mr T,52-8N, I note with great sadnees that I'm going to have to remove the rear wheels. Lot'sa play in the bearings. This is a shim removal thing isn't it? Anyway. I can hear the calcium sloshing in the wheels so I know it's there and They are gonna be heavy to take off. I have a very bad back and I'll probably need help, Can anyone tell me about how much they weigh? I could handle the 38"ers on the old Farmall H . But they didn't have Calcium. Thanks In advance. Rich

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Jim Spencer S.E. Michigan

01-08-2003 04:26:11




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 Re: Heavy subject, Wheels with Calcium in reply to Rich, NJ, 01-07-2003 08:29:29  
Make sure the axle nut is not loose. It is supposed to have 450 ft/lbs of torque on it.
It may not be your bearings that are loose.
If you can keep your tires upright and balanced you can roll them around but still difficult for someone with a bad back.
Get 2 helpers and explain to them ahead of time why they should keep them perfectly verticle and not allow them to even start to lean.
I have had mine off a couple of times by myself but when I think back I was stupid for what could have happened.
Jim

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Rich, NJ

01-08-2003 05:56:45




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 Re: Re: Heavy subject, Wheels with Calcium in reply to Jim Spencer S.E. Michigan, 01-08-2003 04:26:11  
Thanks to everyone for the advice. I think I'm working out the solution to this in my mind. a couple of questions; If a wheel does go over, What's a good way to get it back up? (Just planning ahead) I've loosened the lugs individually, put never seize on them and retightened them. Now about that axle nut, How do you torque something to 450 ft lbs? I took one off and put it back with the "Tight as hell!" method. I know I didn't get anywhere near 450. The axle nut on the other side has a dab of weld on it. Yup, right on the thread. I'd like to meet the halfwit who did that. It's small enough to grind away a leave a small notch in the thread and I think it'll be ok. Otherwise, I guess I'm looking at a new axle. I know it's been covered before , but can anyone update me on the shims thing ? Regards, Rich

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Mountainman

01-08-2003 10:05:31




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 Re: Re: Re: Heavy subject, Wheels with Calcium in reply to Rich, NJ, 01-08-2003 05:56:45  
Rich,

"If a wheel does go over, What's a good way to get it back up? (Just planning ahead)"

First, if it does go over - stand back!!
Do make sure you have a place to roll the wheel to that is as close as possible and still out of your working area.

I used a hand truck to pick up the edge of the tire enough to slip a chain under it and out through the center. Then I used the engine hoist to pick it up.

Even a small helper is better than no helper as long as the person understands about keeping the tire upright or getting out of the way!

"How do you torque something to 450 ft lbs?"

Well, I used a three+ foot long pipe on the breaker bar to get some leverage. And I put all of my weight into the effort. Since I weigh something over 150 that should end up with 450+ lbs torque. Is it 450 lbs? Who knows. But it is a lot tighter than without the extra leverage.

hth

N - joy.

Mountainman...CA

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Rich, NJ

01-08-2003 05:55:59




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 Re: Re: Heavy subject, Wheels with Calcium in reply to Jim Spencer S.E. Michigan, 01-08-2003 04:26:11  
Thanks to everyone for the advice. I think I'm working out the solution to this in my mind. a couple of questions; If a wheel does go over, What's a good way to get it back up? (Just planning ahead) I've loosened the lugs individually, put never seize on them and retightened them. Now about that axle nut, How do you torque something to 450 ft lbs? I took one off and put it back with the "Tight as hell!" method. I know I didn't get anywhere near 450. The axle nut on the other side has a dab of weld on it. Yup, right on the thread. I'd like to meet the halfwit who did that. It's small enough to grind away a leave a small notch in the thread and I think it'll be ok. Otherwise, I guess I'm looking at a new axle. I know it's been covered before , but can anyone update me on the shims thing ? Regards, Rich

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Al

01-07-2003 22:05:18




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 Re: Heavy subject, Wheels with Calcium in reply to Rich, NJ, 01-07-2003 08:29:29  
Takes two men and a boy to get em' in the back of a pickup.Don't lay them down just lean em' against a wall.



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Jim.UT

01-07-2003 12:23:40




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 Re: Heavy subject, Wheels with Calcium in reply to Rich, NJ, 01-07-2003 08:29:29  
Have a place in mind where you want to roll the tire when it's off. Clean off a section of the garage wall where you can lean it until you are ready to put it back on. Plan ahead.

Once before when this subject was tossed around, Don B posted that he has a hand truck set up to slide under the tire. I would guess there would have to be some modifications to the hand truck to keep the tire on there without rolling off, but it shouldn't be hard to do and would be well worth it if you were removing loaded tires with any regularity.

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Steve IA

01-07-2003 09:19:27




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 Re: Heavy subject, Wheels with Calcium in reply to Rich, NJ, 01-07-2003 08:29:29  
Loosen the wheel nuts. Jack up the tractor just enough to hold some of the weight. Remove the wheel nuts so you can see the bolts. Jack up until the bolts are centered in the wheel holes, but not holding any weight of the tire. Wiggle walk the tire off the bolts and roll aside. As was said, if it starts to fall, just get outta the way. Good luck. Steve 8N 169302



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good safTmessage

01-07-2003 11:16:02




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 Re: Re: Heavy subject, Wheels with Calcium in reply to Steve IA, 01-07-2003 09:19:27  
get help. no sense in reading about you laying flat as a pancake looking like a jellyfish.

When re-installing, lean the wheel in to the top two lugs and lugnuts. Then slowly jack up the rear axle and with the two top ones in place, the wheel should slide onto the others as the tractor is jacked up. then secure the lugnuts. might as well let gravity and the weight work for you.



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duey in MN

01-07-2003 09:00:08




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 Re: Heavy subject, Wheels with Calcium in reply to Rich, NJ, 01-07-2003 08:29:29  
I don't have an 8N, mine is a 2N, but I wondered if you had a hub/axle issue rather than bearings.... there have been a ton of posts regarding 8N wheel hubs and axles being loose... Just a thought...duey



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MikeC

01-07-2003 08:52:39




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 Re: Heavy subject, Wheels with Calcium in reply to Rich, NJ, 01-07-2003 08:29:29  
Rich,
If you have a bad back I would get some help. As you are rolling them the fluid tends to slosh and will drag you around with it.



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Dell (WA)

01-07-2003 08:39:37




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 Re: Heavy subject, Wheels with Calcium in reply to Rich, NJ, 01-07-2003 08:29:29  
Rich..... ....CaCl filled reartire add about 350# to basic weight of tire and rim (probably about 500# total). Just hydraulically jack yer tractor axle for about 1/4" clearance and "walk" yer tire off the studs. Gang-way if'n tire starts to fall. Really, not much of a problem as long as you keep'em uprite and roll'em to someplace to lean'em on..... .....Dell



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