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More about saw platform N-vention

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Sam (Mo.)

12-20-2000 06:28:58




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About my N-vention thread from yesterday, I'm trying to make the tree-trimming operation SAFER than what it is now. Never mind the widow-maker comments (chain saws, oak trees, and ladders are inherently dangerous - I'm trying to make it less so). I think this is a reasonable line of thought, and something that might be done with an "N" to make things safer. In past years, this job has been done standing on and leaning from the top of a cab of a pickup truck, or no-hands from a ladder leaning on not much of anything! It's a lot more dangerous that way than with what I'm thinking of!

After some of the helpful comments here, I'm thinking now of a 4-legged metal platform, with the top about 10' off the ground, that attaches to the dirt scoop implement, goes up and over the entire tractor, and attaches to the front bumper. Make it of angle iron or pipe, maybe, and fasten it securely with BIG bolts, of course. Ladder going up the back of it, small platform on top with hand rails, even. It shouldn't weigh much, and even with my 200 lbs. aboard it would be right over the tractor. Shouldn't be a problem.

For stability, the two back legs could bolt inside the dirt scoop, and the scoop would be lowered to the ground before climbing. It would be picked up only to move the tractor to a new position.

I could trim all the trees until I could drive this thing under all of them without hitting a limb. That'll make the property pretty, and provide a lot of firewood, too.

Sorry about the length of this post. In one day here I've moved from an unsupported ladder sticking up in the air to a basic idea that should work - and I'm still lookin' for suggestions! Thanks, - Sam

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Dave 50 8N

12-21-2000 11:24:20




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 Re: More about saw platform N-vention in reply to Sam (Mo.), 12-20-2000 06:28:58  
Sam,

Do mean something like this?



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Larry 8N75381

12-21-2000 16:12:10




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 Re: Re: More about saw platform N-vention in reply to Dave 50 8N, 12-21-2000 11:24:20  
Sam, I have a lot of trees in my fence rows that need trimming BADLY. So I have been watchiung this thread with intrest, but was going to keep my $.02 at home until I saw Dave's excellent drawing.

The first thing that jumped out at was the realization that you cannot fasten to the front axle. The reason being the front axle has to be able to twist with respect to the rest of the tractor to acommodate uneven ground. That would essentially narrow the front support to just a point. I don't like that from the stability stand point.

I like Nolans thought about using the lift with some sort of amplifying means. Think I'd go in the direction of something behind the tractor on another axle for support. If you had a drawbar that attached under the tranny, the lift arms would be free to "work" some sort of lifting action.

Gott'a think some more 'bout this.....
I'd like to see something I could use also.

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Sam (Mo.)

12-21-2000 18:38:21




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 Re: Re: Re: More about saw platform N-vention in reply to Larry 8N75381, 12-21-2000 16:12:10  
Larry - I had thought to bolt about a 4' piece of steel crossways on top of my front bumper for the front support. That's the same as attaching to the front axle, though - because that's what the bumper's bolted to! Maybe I should just attach to the axle, as far out as possible.

I don't think it's a problem. The axle pivots on one point in the middle (as attached to the tractor) - but the "ladder" isn't attached to the tractor anyway. Stability of the "ladder" on the ground is what matters. Those two front tires on the ground, about 5' apart, make for some pretty solid ladder legs, IMO.

Maybe it's remotely possible to get rowdy enough on top of a 10' platform to pull a tractor wheel up off the ground, but I doubt it. The more I think about it, the more uses I can see for this thing. - Sam

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Sam (Mo.)

12-21-2000 14:34:58




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 Re: Re: More about saw platform N-vention in reply to Dave 50 8N, 12-21-2000 11:24:20  
Dave - Egg-zactly! So long as I set the back legs solidly on the ground before climbing, it still seems like a good idea to me.

Before the weather turned bad, I had to put a new roof on a barn. Boy, it would have helped to have this thing parked by the job instead of carrying things up a ladder. I can see lots of uses for it besides trimming trees.

A few of the answers received here have been discouraging - though most folks have been helpful. It's always good to raise legitimate safety concerns, and I appreciate that.

When the weather gets better, I think I'll "Ozark Engineer" one of these things together. Whatever I come up with will be safe - and I'll take some pictures of it to post here. Thanks for the support. - Sam

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Jimp CO

12-21-2000 09:26:08




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 Re: More about saw platform N-vention in reply to Sam (Mo.), 12-20-2000 06:28:58  
What you need is at this site. Link



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Dell (WA)

12-20-2000 21:05:17




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 Re: More about saw platform N-vention in reply to Sam (Mo.), 12-20-2000 06:28:58  
Sam..... .....N-Tractors are great little ol' useful tractors but high lift rangers the're not.

Have you considered the possiblility of renting a real "high lift ranger" with stabalizing jacks and remote controls??? Renting at the right time of the year can be very economical. With the right equipment, you can really go to town and saw.

Or consider checking the next heavy duty equipment auction for used power company lift bucket trucks. Make a deal with your bank afore time and after you successfully bid and buy, you'll have 6 mos to a year before the next auction and then sell your "slightly" used highlift and square things off at the bank.

Sure would be a lot better than having the spouse pickup the pieces of a juryrigged claptrap eleveator being run by a poor N-Tractor..... .Dell

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Nolan

12-20-2000 18:06:57




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 Re: More about saw platform N-vention in reply to Sam (Mo.), 12-20-2000 06:28:58  
Good idea.

If I might, I'd like to toss out some suggestions and observations.

The 3pt hitch has a very limited range of motion, but it's quite powerfull. Instead of just lifting the end of a platform, work out a linkage that could raise the platform something like 5-10 feet instead. Essentially like the platform cranes used at construction site or by window washers. Some type of scissors action would do the job quite well.

Pole saws do exist, and do a good job. I'm not trying to be smart alecky here, I just don't know if you've ever used them or seen them. I've got a fiberglass shafted one that extends out to about 15 feet, and cuts well. Stile makes one that's got a chainsaw at the end. It's essentially a weed wacker with the head replaced with a chainsaw blade.

I think your idea is a fine one, and one that is well established in the industry as a safe, practical tool.

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Salmoneye-I'm With Nolan!

12-21-2000 08:06:57




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 Re: Re: More about saw platform N-vention in reply to Nolan, 12-20-2000 18:06:57  
I have a couple of 'Pruning' pole saws.
One is 12 foot and the other is 15 foot.
Both will cut a 4 inch limb with less than 30 strokes from the ground.
I have never used, but have seen operated, the 12 foot poles with the 10" chainsaw at the end.
They will cut 6 inch limbs in seconds, and they are not that pricey.

Always wear a hardhat!!!



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Jim K

12-20-2000 17:16:50




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 Re: More about saw platform N-vention in reply to Sam (Mo.), 12-20-2000 06:28:58  
Sam why don't you get one of those high crop conversion kits for your tractor the kind that gets the tractor about 8' in the air then you just drive around your property and do all your triming from the tractor seat. Much safer
Jim k



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9N'er

12-20-2000 15:22:36




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 Re: More about saw platform N-vention in reply to Sam (Mo.), 12-20-2000 06:28:58  
Sam(MO): you crack me up. this and the other thread has been one very interesting read. whatever you do, and decide to fabricate, engineer, design, and develop just be be safe as you very well know. if it don't feel right, don't do it.



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A job for a low flyin' helicopter???(NT)

12-20-2000 14:42:49




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 Re: More about saw platform N-vention in reply to Sam (Mo.), 12-20-2000 06:28:58  



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2fordsmike...like the construction crews use?

12-20-2000 12:29:23




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 Re: More about saw platform N-vention in reply to Sam (Mo.), 12-20-2000 06:28:58  
Sam: Have you heard of Morton Buildings? They use late-model Ford tractors with elevated platforms to erect their pole buildings. What you suggest is something much simpler, but is it necessary? Couldn't you work from a trailer and gain the trim height needed for tractor clearance. mike



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swavo

12-20-2000 12:14:52




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 Re: More about saw platform N-vention in reply to Sam (Mo.), 12-20-2000 06:28:58  
O.K. we didn't bite yesterday we're not going to bite today- this is a joke- right..

Have you ever heard of the Darwin awards? you could be a candidate for it.

Mike



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Brad

12-20-2000 08:52:06




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 Re: More about saw platform N-vention in reply to Sam (Mo.), 12-20-2000 06:28:58  
Forget the dirt bucket. Too many possible things can happen, all of them bad. Why don't you remove the fenders and use their mounts for your rear legs? You can then use a fold down step section to reach from the base of the ladder to the ground. Or better yet, just climb up on the tongue of the wagon you pull behind the tractor to throw the branches on. It would save you from going back to pick 'em up.

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Hilltopper

12-20-2000 07:09:01




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 Re: More about saw platform N-vention in reply to Sam (Mo.), 12-20-2000 06:28:58  
You could make it out of aluminum. Old bleacher seat angles would work.



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