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Phil - AL

01-08-2003 11:07:51




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Hey all - I see the oil pressure post below and thought I would start a new post on oils for our tractors. I am a Tribologist (study of friction and wear) and what the hay - I will add my .002 cents.

At work we mostly deal with space applications, but we do some testing and research of motor oils on the side. We have a Shell four ball tester that measures the extreme pressure additives of oils (ie cam lobs) and try and keep track of the newest trends in oils.

For a Ford N motor I would run a single grade mineral oil - say 30wt. If you are plowing snow and start a real cold motor I would run a multgrade. A good 14w-40, 10w-30 will do. Remember that 10w-40 has the highest amount of VI improvers of any oil - long plastic chains that break-up under load and form sludge.

Keep the oil/filter changed and your favorate good mineral grade oil will be fine. For older motors I like Valvoline Maxlife. This oil has more moly then others. The moly is the last protection barrier again metal parts coming into contact. So, if you have a clattering motor, it will keep the tractor in the field longer.

If you don't keep the oil changed or want the best you can run, use synthetic oils. These oils are in a class above any mineral grade oil. On the Shell four ball tester, Mobil 1 10w30 synthetic oil has a better wear scar after being run 10,000 miles then new (0 miles) mineral oils. Synthetics are flat good! I only run these in my cars. But, remember they run clean and have a cleansing effect inside a motor. If you have an old motor it may cause more leaking due to the oil removing the sludge from around your seals which may let more oil by. They have modifiers to swell the seals the same as mineral oils, so it is the cleansing action that causes more leakage.

Additives - snake oils. We have never tested any that worked - NONE! Don't waste your money. Most additives a zinc compounds and all motor oils already contain as much of this as needed. Any more and it causes deposits on valves and sludge formation. Teflon in motor oils is a joke.

Enough yaking for now. Hope to paint the belly of the 2N tonight - YEEE HAAA!! Can't wait to start her up!

Just my .002 cents, please add your real life experience - worth more than all the research in the world.
Phil

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FC

01-08-2003 17:55:54




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 Re: Tractor oil in reply to Phil - AL, 01-08-2003 11:07:51  
Great info. I don't use it, but I often wonder what differences there are in the "cheap" oils such as the brand Wal=Mart sells vs. name brand oils. Do you really get your moneys worth paying extra for name brands? I have always been afraid to use the cheap stuff. I have a 4 cyl. small pickup with over 200,000 mi. without having the head off yet and uses no oil between changes.



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Crockett

01-08-2003 19:03:52




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 Re: Re: Tractor oil in reply to FC, 01-08-2003 17:55:54  
FC:
I have used Wal - Mart synthetic (10W-30, 10W-40) for years in my auto, work truck, and lawn tractor. As long as it has the "sun burst oil certification" logo it is approved oil and meets all car / truck warranty requirements. The wal mart synthetic brand is almost a dollar cheaper per quart than the leading brands. Wal- Mart does not make their own oil so it must be aftermarket branded by one of the major suppliers at a discount. In my previous post I noted using 15w-50 Mobile One synthetic in my 8N and subsequently gaining an increase in hot oil pressure of about 5 lbs. psi. I used the Mobile only because I could not find the same wal mart synthetic oil (in 15w-50) at this time of year ( wal mart carries heavier grades of synthetic in the summer). Wal-mart synthetic oil has worked great for me. I hope this helps.

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Phil - AL

01-09-2003 05:59:07




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 Re: Re: Re: Tractor oil in reply to Crockett, 01-08-2003 19:03:52  
If I remember right, Wally world oil is a Quaker State synthetic. It is good oil. Also, their black oil filters are very good. They are made by the same manufacture as Bosch, Champian labs. I compaired the two for my car and the only difference is the sticker on the side. And, 4 bucks!



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Crockett

01-08-2003 16:10:09




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 Re: Tractor oil in reply to Phil - AL, 01-08-2003 11:07:51  
I recently changed oil and filter on my early 8N. Switched from 20w-50 regular oil which I had put in this Fall to 15w-50 Mobil One synthetic. This is a tractor that is in less than great engine shape and at a minimum probably needs rod bearings. I had cold oil pressure in the 20+ range and hot a bit less than 10 psi with the regular oil. I now have 20+ cold and a bit more than 15 psi when hot with the Mobile One. I must attribute the increase in hot oil psi to the superior attributes of the synthetic oil as it is the only variable that changed. I use synthetic oil in all my vehicles. It costs more but in my opinion it works pretty well and you can stretch the oil change intervals a bit.

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Phil - AL

01-09-2003 05:54:28




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 Re: Re: Tractor oil in reply to Crockett, 01-08-2003 16:10:09  
You got it. I should have mentioned this before. The reason synthetics hold oil pressure better is because at temperature they hold their viscosity. Mineral oils viscosity drops a lot at temperature.



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BC Mike C

01-08-2003 15:39:15




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 Re: Tractor oil in reply to Phil - AL, 01-08-2003 11:07:51  
Very timely piece Phil, I just got a filter for our 9N this morning. BC Mike C



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Dave Smith, Great information

01-08-2003 15:02:47




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 Re: Tractor oil in reply to Phil - AL, 01-08-2003 11:07:51  
I coppied it to disc. What is the recomendation for diesel engines? I have been using New Holland 15-40 in all of our tractors for years. You're recomendation on inteval changes is dead nutz on from obsevations I have made on my own. Oil and filters are cheap. Dave <*)))><



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Phil - AL

01-09-2003 05:50:23




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 Re: Re: Tractor oil in reply to Dave Smith, Great information, 01-08-2003 15:02:47  
Hey Dave - Diesel motor oils have a different additive package then gas motor oils. I have not seen tests on the New Holland oils. It would be interesting to see who makes it - I will try and find out. I have heard good things about Shell Rotela (sp?) oils for diesel motors.



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RoN of ohio

01-08-2003 14:45:34




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 Re: Tractor oil in reply to Phil - AL, 01-08-2003 11:07:51  
Several years ago while scraping the 'black crayon' off my valve lifters in my car, I asked my dad, who knows everything, Why does 'valveline' Oil turn to wax. He told me that his friend who was a mechanic for Grey Hound said that all oils from East of the Mississippi had a high parafine base and would do that and because of that, Grey Hound would only use Havilene Motor oil from Texas. I started using Havilene then and have used it ever since. I have never had a car since that time that uses any oil between 5000 mile changes.

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Phil - AL

01-09-2003 05:44:09




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 Re: Re: Tractor oil in reply to RoN of ohio, 01-08-2003 14:45:34  
Your dad is a smart one. He is correct. Texico owns some of the few wells that have napthenic based oils vs parathenic. These oils don't plate out like parafin oils. With todays formulations and additive packages, this is not a problem anymore. Older engineer here still run Haveline oils.



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RoN of ohio

01-09-2003 07:34:03




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 Re: Re: Re: Tractor oil in reply to Phil - AL, 01-09-2003 05:44:09  

thanks Phil for the comment about my dad. He is 91 and would still be active if it weren't for the tunnel vision that keeps him mostly inside. He does however still run a 20 year old craftsman riding mower that he swears he has never done any work on except for oil changes and occasional tune up. Even the tires are original. His brother (my uncle) just celebrated his 100th birthday in Dec. 02. He is not sick and enjoys dancing around at reunions. He claims his long life comes from not ever drinking coffee or smoking. His breakfast drink is a tea of 2 tbs. each of honey and cider vinegar in a cup of hot water. And me, I can't operate without that first cup of coffer in the am. Sorry for the long post. Take care..Ron

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excellent article . . . Dell (WA)

01-08-2003 14:32:40




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 Re: Tractor oil in reply to Phil - AL, 01-08-2003 11:07:51  
Phil..... ....excellent article, I have copied it to my personal archives. Ranks right along with llamas's excellent hydraulic oil article..... ....Dell



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DC

01-08-2003 13:38:02




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 Re: Tractor oil in reply to Phil - AL, 01-08-2003 11:07:51  
Also I would like to add that they taught us in aviation mechanics that what it is that makes oil go bad is not the common dirt build-up but actually it is heat that brakes it down. Mineral oil will brake down because of heat, heat on the other hand does not brake down synthetic oils, thats why all the turbine engines use synthetic oils. If its good for them just think what it will do for regular engines

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MikeC

01-08-2003 12:37:03




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 Re: Tractor oil in reply to Phil - AL, 01-08-2003 11:07:51  
Interesting information Phil!
I want to make sure that I understand your comment about the 10W40 oils:

"Remember that 10w-40 has the highest amount of VI improvers of any oil - long plastic chains that break-up under load and form sludge."

Does this mean that under constant load (like a farm tractor)an engine that runs 10W40 is more likely to have sludge buildup after XXXX hours than an engine that runs 10W30 or straight 30W (all else being equal)? Is there any better brands or is this a common issue with 10W40's across the board (exception being the synthetics which I run in all of my vehicles along with K&N filters)?

Thanks for your info!

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Phil - AL

01-08-2003 13:48:16




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 Re: Re: Tractor oil in reply to MikeC, 01-08-2003 12:37:03  
10w-40 will have more sludge buildup then 10w-30 or 30wt. The reason is the 10W-40 starts life as a 10wt oil (as does a 10w-30). VI (Viscosity Index) improvers are added to get the oil to pass high temperature pour point specs of a 40wt. So, it has more VI improvers then a 10w-30, thus better potental for sludge. A 30W will not have much if any IV improvers. A synthetic multigrade oils do not have any VI improvers because it can meet the low and high temp pour points in its base form. Mineral oils are good enough today to run 3000 miles without problems and don't be scared to use the multigrades - they are good oils - just don't push them to 5000 miles.

Tractor motors should not be hard on oil due to the low RPM they run, but they do run in dusty conditions. When the 2N is running, I will do some tests to see for sure. Maybe some of you guys can give some insight on how long it takes for your oil to start turning dark. Using the rule of thumb that a car averages 40 MPH, then that is equivalent to 75 hours of run time in 3000 miles. So, how does the oil in your tractor look after 75 hours? What oil change interval did Ford specify for the N tractors?

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Brian *N* S. IL

01-08-2003 23:34:45




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 Re: Re: Re: Tractor oil in reply to Phil - AL, 01-08-2003 13:48:16  
I've noticed that my oil usually turns dark right at about 94 to 95 hours. Up to that point, it looks like brand new. I change the oil and filter every 100 hours.

I'm running Mystik 15W40 Heavy duty diesel oil.

Good stuff so far.

Brian



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MikeC

01-08-2003 14:01:49




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 Re: Re: Re: Tractor oil in reply to Phil - AL, 01-08-2003 13:48:16  
Interesting info! Thanks for the followup.



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