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Thanks for all the truck abvice.

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Patrick Md. Va.

01-24-2003 03:27:45




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I finally found a really nice 1999 Ford F 250 XLT 4x4 powerstroke truck. I am going to go pick it up Saturday morning. I really thank you guys for all the advice you all gave me a week ago. I am really looking forward to being able to tow my 2n around.




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raytasch

01-25-2003 07:52:59




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 Re: Thanks for all the truck abvice. in reply to Patrick Md. Va., 01-24-2003 03:27:45  
Been reading this thread, thought I would offer comments. I have owned four of the E4OD transmissions, three behind a big block 460 and one behind the Navsitar 7.3 Diesel. I have had no problems with mine. One was in a motorhome that weighed 16k lbs with which I pulled a loaded trailer with estimated weight of up to 7K lbs (8N and or an 850 and implements) with no problems. I installed a Banks shift kit on this unit and it firmed up the shift considerably. The E4OD had major factory upgrades in 1995 that were to overcome design problems. Those upgrades helped some. The current transmission used by Ford is still a redesign of the old E4OD but supposed to be improved more. Still, current transmission is IMO, a weak transmission. Do a network search of 'E4OD' and you will surely get all the reading you can handle for at least a week; same would apply for the new transmission designation.
Above said, the '90 F350 that I am currently driving has had the E4OD rebuilt by Ford twice prior to my purchasing the truck. I baby it, keep it serviced, never let it shift under full load and I am convinced it will probably be ok for another 100K miles. fwiw,
ray

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Willy-N

01-24-2003 06:52:47




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 Re: Thanks for all the truck abvice. in reply to Patrick Md. Va., 01-24-2003 03:27:45  
Funny I am going to look at a newer (97-2000) Ford myself Saturday. With the big block or power stroke, automatic with 4X4 in the 3/4 ton range plus. Then I will sell my old Chevy to a kid to play with! Mark H.



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Hal/WA

01-25-2003 11:24:26




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 Re: Re: Thanks for all the truck abvice. in reply to Willy-N, 01-24-2003 06:52:47  
Mark, I think you will miss your Chevy! And it will take a LOT of miles of increased fuel mileage to make up for the $20-30K you will have to spend for the newer truck. And you really take it in the shorts if you trade in at the warranty period.

I would love to have a new Diesel pickup. But I just can not afford it.... The main problems I see with the newer rigs is that they just about can not be repaired by a back-yard mechanic. You HAVE TO HAVE ALL THE RIGHT TOOLS (mostly electronic), even on the new diesels to figure out what is wrong with them.

I think I will stick with my old 84 Supercab 4x4 with 460 and C6 for a while. The mileage is nothing to brag about, but it will pull anything I have ever asked it to. And if something does go wrong with it, usually I can find the problem and fix it myself. And there are no truck payments.

One thing to watch for in a Ford is the turning radius. My truck has the semi-independant 4 wheel drive front end. It will not turn nearly as sharp as a 1 ton with the solid axle. This might not be a problem to you, but if I had it to do over, I would look for a 1 ton for that reason. Lots of times it takes multiple maneuvers to get turned around and a lot more room than it should.

Good luck, but I would stick with the Chevy you know, unless you need a heavier machine or you see a real problem with it coming up. From your photos of it, it looks real good to me!

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Willy-N

01-25-2003 16:20:20




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 Re: Re: Re: Thanks for all the truck abvice. in reply to Hal/WA, 01-25-2003 11:24:26  
Nothing wrong with my Chevy it dose have a hard time pulling a 7,000 lb load. It has a completely rebuilt drivetrain. I am tring to figure how to tow a bigger load?? Heck I got allmost 8,000.00 into the Chevy allready!! Thought about a larger motor and 400 trans just not sure where to draw the line. It wasn't till I started hauling trucks the problem showed up with the weight. Got any ideas other than a new truck? And yes that is why I got the 79 is because I can work on it, know it like the back of my hand I've done the rebuild of it from front to rear allready. Mark H.

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RayOh

01-25-2003 18:49:37




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Thanks for all the truck abvice. in reply to Willy-N, 01-25-2003 16:20:20  
Willy, If I Had That Problem I Would Look For A One Ton Truck With A 454 Engine That I Could Fix Instead Of Paying BIG Bucks For A New Truck That In Two Years Wont Be Worth Half Of What You Had To Give For It.A Dump Truck Would Pull That Load & Wont Cost $30000.



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Willy-N Problem solved tonight!

01-25-2003 20:18:59




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Thanks for all the truck abvice. in reply to RayOh, 01-25-2003 18:49:37  
Decided to get the wife and daughter a Newer Pathfinder or such with the frills for them. Than I am going to get a 84 or so 460 big block Ford manual transmission 4X4 dana 70 gears 1 ton that I can work on for me. Or a Chevy 1 ton with a 454 put some money into it and by happy with that. Heck can't get worst gas miliage then my 350 dose at 10-11 mpg but will pull anything I need to pull. I won't be doing long hauls anyway with it and it dose not need to be a 30,000.00 rig I would be afraid to throw a plow or a engine block in the bed and jump in with dirty cover all and go to town with. The new smaller rig would be the long haul drive family car. I just can't justifie spending that much for something to haul with that I can't fix or even know what is wrong with it. Thanks for the feed back. Mark

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Hal/WA

01-27-2003 01:25:11




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Thanks for all the truck abvice. in reply to Willy-N Problem solved tonight!, 01-25-2003 20:18:59  
The Pathfinder and Toyota Forrunner are good rigs. So are the Blazer and Bronco, and probably a bit cheaper. Do your daughter a favor and teach her to drive a stick shift. I'm sure she could handle it and the skill could come in real handy for her sometime. But automatics are sure easier to drive in traffic or over the road.

There are some Fords out there with 460's, but I have not seen many with manual transmissions and I would guess a Dana 70 would have been a special order item. The ones I have seen had Dana 60's in back and Dana 50's in front. The 460 went to fuel injection in 1986 and previously used a Holley 4 barrel that seems to be the most expensive rebuilt U.S. carb at the parts store. When I got my truck, a Carter AFB had been installed. It works fine, so I haven't fooled with it. I don't know when Ford quit using the C6 behind the 460, but it is one tough transmission, although it does not feature an overdrive. At least some of the 1 tons used a solid front axle on the 4x4 and while it probably does not ride as nice, the solid axle would be my choice for a tighter turning radius and in my opinion, a simpler unit with less to go wrong.

Another thought would be to put a big block in your existing Chevy, assuming it is a 3/4 ton with a transmission other than the TH350. It is not hard to do at all. A 454 needs a different flywheel and any big block will probably need more radiator. I also would suggest getting a complete engine with all the brackets and pulleys for the accessories, as they can be a pain to find in the right combination.

There are lots of parts available to fix up older trucks, from the dealer parts houses, NAPA, and catalogues like JC Whitney. The only real things to watch for are rust and prior accident damage that was not repaired right. The mechanics are very straight forward.

I don't think you will be sorry if you get an old Ford or keep your Chevy. Good luck!

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Patrick Md. Va.

01-25-2003 05:07:56




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 Re: Re: Thanks for all the truck abvice. in reply to Willy-N, 01-24-2003 06:52:47  
Good luck Mark. I hope you find what you need / want. The one i am looking at has 32K miles. I hope that the trans will hold up for a little while. I am going to put the biggest plate cooler i can buy on it. I also want a trans temp. gauge.



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Gaspump

01-24-2003 07:28:06




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 Re: Re: Thanks for all the truck abvice. in reply to Willy-N, 01-24-2003 06:52:47  
Beware of the automatics in those units. Many failed usually after the 80,000 mile warranty expired. Suitable to tow an 8N but not much more. They are very popular with the stock car racers and I know several that had trannys that failed as well as a neighbor farmers (twice). A better choice in those units would be the six speed manual transmission. Ford is now switching to a better source of automatics in future units.

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Willy-N

01-24-2003 09:18:55




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 Re: Re: Re: Thanks for all the truck abvice. in reply to Gaspump, 01-24-2003 07:28:06  
It seems every new truck is having problems with the Auto Matic Transmission! Dodge has problems too and with the slave unit for the Stick?? How about Chevy are the messed up to? I hate paying 20,000.00 for a peice of junk. I have to get a Automatic so my Wife and Daughter can drive it also. It seems if I talk to a Dodge fan the rest are junk, a Chevy fan the rest are junk and the same with a Ford fan?? I have owned all three myself and only lost one transmission. My Dodge after 150,000 miles, it was because of the guy who changed the fluid, left the pan loose and it burned up towing on the pass 2 days later. They want 40,000.00 for a new Cummings Dodge and they have problems with both trans too? I only want to tow a max load including trailer of 8,000 pounds. What dose a guy do when he wants a new truck. My 350 79 Chevy can allmost pull that but real hard when it comes to the hills or long hauls. Realy not sure what to do except sell the truck befor the warrentee runs out nowdays. Mark H.

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Mountainman

01-24-2003 21:23:52




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Thanks for all the truck abvice. in reply to Willy-N, 01-24-2003 09:18:55  
Mark,

" I have to get a Automatic so my Wife and Daughter can drive it also."

Teach them to drive the stick shift BEFORE you sell it - grin

then no matter what new truck you end up with, they will be able to drive it too! Modern stick shifts are much easier to drive than those of just a few years ago.

Happy truck hunting - finding a good one is half the fun!

Mountainman...CA



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Gaspump

01-24-2003 10:51:45




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Thanks for all the truck abvice. in reply to Willy-N, 01-24-2003 09:18:55  
Know 3 people with the F250 Power Stroke with the 6 speed manual tranny. All pull race car trailers up to 52' long, all traded similar trucks or had been given Ford Dealer lease sponsorship on trucks less than 3 years old and all say much the manual is better pulling in the hills and gives better fuel economy. They are no longer interested in anyones automatic. If there are any good ones out there the new Chev with the Japanese diesel and Allison trans are looking good, also the new Ford soon coming will have a better package. On used trucks ask a lot of questions as to transmission service and repair history of the vehicle.

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Willy-N

01-24-2003 15:54:00




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Thanks for all the truck abvice. in reply to Gaspump, 01-24-2003 10:51:45  
Well I just looked at the Ford 250 V-10 2002 Auto today. Nice looking truck what about that set up? Mark H.



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Gaspump

01-24-2003 16:21:05




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Thanks for all the truck abvice. in reply to Willy-N, 01-24-2003 15:54:00  
The only problem I have with the the V-10 or any other large displacement gas engine is that the fuel economy ain't too great. I am uncertain as to how the trannys hold up with the V-10 engine, only that I know in motor homes where they are most likely to be found they have a pretty good reputation. Might want to check with service people at Your local Ford store or even a transmission shop. Actually if you are going gas the 5.4 engine will haul an 8N just fine but not with a 40' trailer loaded with tractor and implements. A motor home dealer will also help with the V-10 question.

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Doug

01-24-2003 09:29:01




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Thanks for all the truck abvice. in reply to Willy-N, 01-24-2003 09:18:55  
Willy-N!

Off topic...but I was given your name as someone who might be able to track down a cultivator for a farmall C. I live in Port Angeles!

Thanks

DH



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Willy-N

01-24-2003 09:42:56




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Thanks for all the truck abvice. in reply to Doug, 01-24-2003 09:29:01  
Not me I stick with Ford Ns to many different tractors out there to learn about. But I would like to get a good truck for towing a tractor with out problems. Mark H.



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