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Alan

02-24-2003 07:38:19




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HELP!!!!! I have a 1952 8n , 6 volt original system...all new rotor,cap, wiring,regulator,coil,keyswitch,points,plugs,condensor,spark plug wires...no lights or any other optional equipment....tractor has had this electrical problem for quite awhile....The Tractor would run fine for a fair amount of time with no problems,usually about 2 months of weekend use ,then while running it would abruptly stop with no warning....I could sometimes restart it and it would run for a couple hours more then stop again , this would be repeated and the stops would become more frequent until it wouldn't start at all.....At that point I would test for spark with my spark tester light between spark plug and spark plug wire and get no spark....I would try cleaning the points with a burnisher and when I do that it would start again and run for some time before it would start the whole process over again.....until I change the points...Then it would run again for a month or so and repeat.....
It got so predictable that when the tractor stopped I would get off cleAn the points and get back on and it would run...
Early on with this problem I would try replacing coil , plugs , keyswitch etc and they ALL seemed to help how long it would run without stopping but nothing I have done has completely alleviated it....
Originally I thought it may be gas but when it happened I would open the plug at the bottom of the carb and gas would continue to flow out...
Only until I connected the spark tester was I sure that it was electrical...
ANY OPINIONS ON WHAT TO TRY NEXT WILL BE GREATLY APPRECIATED.....THANKS...ALAN

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Mike

02-25-2003 07:51:23




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 Re: 8N electrical problem in reply to Alan, 02-24-2003 07:38:19  
Alan,

A problem I've run across ocasionally, and it exhibits symptoms such as your engine does, sometimes as the distrubitor wears and the blowby can push oily smoke up into the dist. cap and this slowly, while you're running the engine, coats the points with an oil coating. Of course when you clean and set the points that cures the problem.

You might want to take a look at the wear on the dist. bushings if the problem persists after trying all other things that should cure the problem and the engine continues to fail to run for an extended period.

Good luck.

Mike

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Dell (WA)

02-24-2003 10:25:03




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 Re: 8N electrical problem in reply to Alan, 02-24-2003 07:38:19  
Alan..... ...change yer condensor again. And change where yer buyin' yer condensor.

Heres the deal, anytime yer burnin' yer points, yer condensor ain't workin'. Or its the incorrect value, like for a 6 cyl.

Condensors are made in batches and sometimes the manufacturer makes a bad batch. So go buy a replacement condensor somewhere else. If'n yer buyin' at Ford/New Holland, try NAPA, or AutoZone, or even regular Ford Automobile parts. There is more than one condensor manufacturer. Use this p/n 7RA-12300-C..... ..Dell

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arlobenn

02-24-2003 11:39:44




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 Re: Re: 8N electrical problem in reply to Dell (WA), 02-24-2003 10:25:03  
Check the plate the points & cond.are mounted on. It must be grounded. I have seen them get corroded and lose there ground. When you clean the points,you move the plate just enough to ground it again. Hope this helps.



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good idea . . . Dell (WA)

02-24-2003 14:04:15




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 Re: Re: Re: 8N electrical problem in reply to arlobenn, 02-24-2003 11:39:44  
Arlo..... ..good point, good grounds are necessary..... .Dell



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Bruce

02-24-2003 09:32:28




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 Re: 8N electrical problem in reply to Alan, 02-24-2003 07:38:19  
Two things come to mind, both of which have happened to me. First, make sure the points are not arcing to the body of the distributor because the wire is to close, and secondly, do not buy cheap points!! And, even if you do buy good points, you must lubricate the cam or they will wear down quickly and close up.



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bg

02-24-2003 08:28:13




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 Re: 8N electrical problem in reply to Alan, 02-24-2003 07:38:19  
Have you checked the little insulator on the the post where the primary wire goes into the distributor, and the copper strap the goes from the post to the point set connection?



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Alan

02-24-2003 09:27:39




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 Re: Re: 8N electrical problem in reply to bg, 02-24-2003 08:28:13  
bg.....I did not mention it but I took that all apart, cleaned the copper strap and made sure the insulator was in good shape....Alan



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Snowplow

02-24-2003 08:06:33




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 Re: 8N electrical problem in reply to Alan, 02-24-2003 07:38:19  
This problem sounds to me like a bad coil or condensor. You said you replaced them but they could still be bad.

You may also want to check voltage readings. At various places, especially around the coil, battery and generator, regulator. You may be producing too much or not enough voltage. The coil gets its juice from the battery not the generator. You may have juice to crank and start but after a while the battery starts to fade if it isn't getting recharged. After it sits a bit it will work again. Weak batteries can do all sorts of weird things.

Why did you have to clean the points so often?

Either you have a problem there or the tractor was just cooling down while you did it so that it worked afterward (as in coil cooling).

Also don't give up on the gas issue. I found that I had a bad bulb assembly and that when I got low on fuel I couldn't get much gas even when opened to reserve. It would run but would stall under load, even just 4th gear. The problem seemed to get worse when it was hot. For the longest time I thought it was a bad coil, turned out it was just fuel level issue. The tractor would run fine standing still but when I moved and the fuel sloshed around it would sputter. I changed the bulb assembly and cleaned the fuel screens and it ran like a new machine. I'm convinced that a lot of issues on old machines have to do with fuel flow and poor carbs. Most of these machines went through some serious down time at some point in their life, and probably wern't cleaned up well afterward. Sorry to ramble!
Good luck!

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