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rob

03-03-2003 20:00:48




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I have never owned a tractor. I like the 52 8N (thanks to this discussion group). If I buy one of these without a loader, bushhogg, and post hole digger can I buy ANY type of modern implement and hook it up? what should I look out for?

Also, If I buy an 8N how do I get parts to fix it? Do tractor supply stores sell after market parts?

thanks,rob




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DickTN

03-04-2003 08:35:56




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 Re: Implements for 8N? in reply to rob, 03-03-2003 20:00:48  
Rob, If you use a bush hog on your N, be sure to get and use an overrunning coupler. If you do not do this, the inertia of the blades on the bush hog WILL drive you through whatever happens to be in front of you. No, I haven't done this, but know it can happen. Happy tractoring! DickTN



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DickTN

03-04-2003 08:35:55




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 Re: Implements for 8N? in reply to rob, 03-03-2003 20:00:48  
Rob, If you use a bush hog on your N, be sure to get and use an overrunning coupler. If you do not do this, the inertia of the blades on the bush hog WILL drive you through whatever happens to be in front of you. No, I haven't done this, but know it can happen. Happy tractoring! DickTN



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Arne- Idaho

03-04-2003 04:39:41




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 Re: Implements for 8N? in reply to rob, 03-03-2003 20:00:48  
Rob,

Yes, ANY cat 1 implement will fit, but that doesn't mean it will work. I am speaking of a rototiller mainly. Remember the 8N is not live PTO and implements like this that require constant power with varied ground speed may not work as intended. All of the implements you mentioned will work great on an 8N.

Arne



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Rich,NJ

03-04-2003 05:23:06




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 Re: Re: Implements for 8N? in reply to Arne- Idaho, 03-04-2003 04:39:41  
If you go to the Smith's tractor page, you will find many of the implements listed. I'm not sure how to get there, but try the links. I also have a 52 8N. Mine came with a rare Davis loader and a Howard Rotovater. As in the previous post, The Ford is too fast to use with a rototiller, so Howard came up with a little planetary type transmission that slips into the gear case. This cuts the groundspeed to a usable rate, with out affecting the PTO shaft speed. Just for an idea of what that is, I timed it going up my driveway and it was around 2.5 minutes to go 125 feet in first gear. Getting away from the rototillers, with loaders, you must change the front engine pulley for one with four holes in the face. These four holes accept the lugs on the drive shaft for the front mounted pump that operates the loader cylinders. If it doesn't come with a loader, It might be more than you want to do to install one. That would depend on your determination Plan on have a good counterweight and calcium in the rear tires to offset all that weight in the front. The rest of the implementation for these tractors is pretty much, back up to it and hook it up and go on your way. One thing to look for is that there are two PTO shaft diameters. The original is 1 1/8 inch, later ones are 1 3/8 inch
you should be sure of your shaft size when buying an implement. I hope this helps Rich

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Larry 8N75381

03-04-2003 07:13:57




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 Re: Re: Re: Implements for 8N? in reply to Rich,NJ, 03-04-2003 05:23:06  
Rich,

You said, "Plan on have a good counterweight and calcium in the rear tires to offset all that weight in the front." Unfortunately calcium/water in the tires does nothing to counter the loader weight on the front so that it relieves the weight on the front tires that makes steering hard with a loader. You are correct about the counter weight, it was just not clear at first reading - sounded like you ment the calcium/water was the counter weight. Read on....

If you took high school physics, you learned about levers - if you didn't or forgot what you learned (like I have for much of my "schooling") then you shouldn't be offended by my "correcting" you - at least I don't intend to offend.

Think of a tetter-totter, the weight of each child is held up by the pivot of the board in the center. With weight only in the tires, the pivot is the front tires. That puts the most load on the front, just where you do not want it. Think of it this way. If you load the bucket to the point that it just lifts the rear tires up, where is ALL the weight supported?

What you want is to make the rear tires the pivot point of the "tetter-totter", which will take the load off the front. SO to do that you must have your counter weight BEHIND the rear tires. The weight of calcium/water in the tires is not behind, rather just over the pivot point you want. Thus a HEAVY implement mounted on the TPH will help. Or you could use a carry-all frame with concrete block fastened to it. Important thing to be aware of in placing the counter weight, the further back behind the rear tires the weight is the more effective it is. That is less weight is required to counter the same front weight. Big kid - Little kid, on the tetter-totter. The big kid has to be closer to the center and the little has to be further back for them to balance.

Hope that explains the counter balancing effect.

Best regards,
Larry

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Rich,NJ

03-05-2003 06:40:09




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Implements for 8N? in reply to Larry 8N75381, 03-04-2003 07:13:57  
Larry, First , you did not offend. Second you are partially correct. Here's the story, When I got my 52 8N with the Davis loader on it I used it for a few jobs then it was retired until the snow came. I found that in oder to get the weight and balance correct , I had to run it around with the bucket as high over my head as possible. If not, the large, calcuim filled back wheels would lose traction badly on even mildly slippery conditions. Our soils here are sandy and a cleated tractor tire, tends to dig in fast if it has minimal traction. More than once, I had to use my Farmall H to get the Ford unstuck. This was with an EMPTY bucket. While it would be nice to replace the front wheels of the machine as a fulcrum, with the back wheels. First you have to keep the back wheels on the ground. Then you can think about extending the weight out back beyond the rear wheels. The more I think about it this may be the reason why the Davis loader is so rare. They are too front end heavy. I believe that the Dearborn pipe frame loaders have less weight out front. If anyone knows the answer, I'd like to hear it. Thanks for the reply, Rich

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Tom A

03-04-2003 02:33:06




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 Re: Implements for 8N? in reply to rob, 03-03-2003 20:00:48  
Hi Rob:

I've got just a couple additions to what everyone else said, based on mistakes I made a few years back when I was in exactly your position.

I first bought new implements from the local tractor supply store cuz they were easy to find and I thought they'd be better. Most have been ok for what I do, including the middlebuster and the subsoiler. The disk I bought was not: I bought a 4' disk, and while it is "ok" I wouldn't buy another; it is too light so I have to weight it, and it is too narrow...5' would have been better, and an old piece would have been best.

I've since learned that the older implements are usually the best (like tractors and tractor owners, I guess!): better built, easier to learn on, easier to use and maintain. So I watch the local farm auctions and spread the word when I am shopping for a new cultivator, rake or what-have-you. Most times, around here, if you can find the piece then you can find it cheap, too.

Finally, most important, I think is to ask here or on the implement board for advice before you buy. You'll avoid some of the stupid mistakes I made!

have fun and good luck!
Tom A

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Jborin

03-03-2003 21:38:25




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 Re: Implements for 8N? in reply to rob, 03-03-2003 20:00:48  
One more suggestion. Make sure you get an overrunning coupler for your brushhog. It'll save you much angst over running into trees! Good luck.



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Jborin

03-03-2003 21:36:54




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 Re: Implements for 8N? in reply to rob, 03-03-2003 20:00:48  
Rob, just to give you an example, I purchased a new Category 1 disc-harrow and grading blade last summer. Woods makes some very high quality implements for tractors, but there are many high quality implement manufacturers out there such as HayKing, Rhino, Howse, etc. Talk to your implement dealer. A Ford N tractor is a simple, beautiful machine. With a little TLC, they will give you much satisfaction and dependable service.

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Ultradog MN

03-03-2003 20:49:23




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 Re: Implements for 8N? in reply to rob, 03-03-2003 20:00:48  
Welcome Rob.
The Ford N invented the 3 point hitch.
It still uses ANY cat1 3 point implement.
They've since built larger and smaller tractors that use cat 0 to cat3 3 point implements.
But ANY cat 1 tool will fit on your tractor. Old or new. They built a couple hundred different ones...
Collect them all!
Jerry



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kjm

03-05-2003 08:54:38




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 Re: Re: Implements for 8N? in reply to Ultradog MN, 03-03-2003 20:49:23  
Don`t tell the guys at the Fergie board that Ford invented the 3-point. He-He. you can buy an over riding clutch that will change the pto size to an 1 3/8,If you have a mower you NEED a orc kjm



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Clint

03-03-2003 20:40:36




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 Re: Implements for 8N? in reply to rob, 03-03-2003 20:00:48  
Yes you can, as long as the implement is categoryI 3 pt mount. The early n's had a smaller splined PTO shaft than used today, I disremember the dimensions of either, but this is easily addressed with an $8 adapter. The downside to this is that if the pto shaft is worn,adapters tend to wobble, so I ended up buying a newer larger shaft. A little more costly but very easy to install. Loaders of course must be specific to the n series tractor, but they are easy to find and reasonably priced, often in the 150 to 300$ range. I guess a lot of guys take them off because they don't like the extra steering effort from carrying that extra weight. As for parts, yes, the farm stores carry aftermarket parts, most Ford dealers still carry a surprisng inventory of parts, but if you like this board, ordering from the sponsors here is a good way to thank them.

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