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Tonight: I burned the American Flag!!!!

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Ron Ca.

03-08-2003 23:12:56




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I work for a government entity. One of my many duties is to dispose of " out of service flags."
I burned more than a hundred of them tonight, unceremoniously. Exactly the way one is supposed too. With my wife beside me, knowing I'm a Viet-nam vet.(Army 67-68) Asking, if I'm okay doing this? I tell her, 'I see alot of memories as the tall flames reach the black sky.' But its better I burn them here, than the anti-war demonstraters
downtown. P. S. We salvaged a couple of flags. Which we will fly, tall and true on the 17 and beyond...Ron Ca.

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Misuse/Abuse of the flag ???

03-09-2003 17:01:51




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 Re: Tonight: I burned the American Flag!!!! in reply to Ron Ca., 03-08-2003 23:12:56  

Probably the most frequent misuse of the flag is ADVERTISING. You see it everywhere. It is expressly forbidden by the uniform flag code.

So is the use of the flag in a costume or uniform (except aproperly displayed patch or pin.

Most people dont want to know this, but its a fact.



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ole

03-09-2003 07:07:20




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 Re: Tonight: I burned the American Flag!!!! in reply to Ron Ca., 03-08-2003 23:12:56  
a liitle more flag etiquette

Why is the flag sometimes backwards on the side of airplanes, buses, and military uniforms?
The flag decals have the union (the blue area with the stars) on the side closer to the front of the plane. On the plane's left, the decal shows the flag with the union at the left, as usual. On the plane's right side, the union is on the right. This is done so that the flag looks as if it is blowing in the wind created by the forward movement of the ship or airplane. You can see this on cars and trucks as well. Click to see pictures of the flag decals on Air Force 1. There are two separate flag patches in the Army inventory: the normal U.S. flag replica that is worn on the left sleeve, and what is referred to as the "reversed field" flag patch, which is worn on the right sleeve.

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John A

03-09-2003 05:08:32




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 Re: Tonight: I burned the American Flag!!!! in reply to Ron Ca., 03-08-2003 23:12:56  
Ron, Amen, I say. Again I say Amen!!!

Hold true to your post,
John A.



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BS@ElmaNY

03-09-2003 01:01:39




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 Re: Tonight: I burned the American Flag!!!! in reply to Ron Ca., 03-08-2003 23:12:56  
Good job on doing it the right way. Why let a flag rot in a landfill? Proper display & disposal should be followed for all flags, for every size & shape of flag.

There are always organizations more than willing to dispose of worn-out flags, e.g., VFW Posts, Daughters of the American Revolution (if I have the correct name), Boy Scouts (often for elevation to Eagle Scout), Girl Scouts, 4H, etc.

I'm always surprised by people not knowing the proper way to display a flag.

After 9/11, a neighbor showed his patriotism by displaying a gigantic American flag on his brand-new 2-story house. He had it properly lighted at night and so forth. Only problem was that he had the star field to the right. That lasted about 3-4 days, and then he got it put up correctly. He had even paid someone with a boom truck to hang it as it was in such an awkward place where a ladder was too risky. Had to pay again to get it displayed right.

I'm also surprised by people who wear flag shoulder patches wrong. If I'm not mistaken, the star field goes toward the front. I see this a lot on the TV news. I also see a few local utility trucks with flag stickers where the star field is toward the back of the vehicle. I assume this is wrong also.

I assume there're web sites where you could find rules for proper flag display. I only know of a few rules myself, and I’m not sure I remember them correctly.

We're all proud of the flag. But we have to remember that is has to be properly displayed and, when it's worn out, properly disposed of.

Bri

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Flags do come with instructions

03-09-2003 11:44:01




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 Re: Re: Tonight: I burned the American Flag!!!! in reply to BS@ElmaNY, 03-09-2003 01:01:39  
It's been awhile since I've bought an American Flag. Do they still come with instructions as to the proper way to display and discard them? I understand a light is needed if displayed at night. It may be that many people are too much in a hurry to display and throw the instructions away.



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Snowplow

03-10-2003 07:54:27




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 Re: Re: Re: Tonight: I burned the American Flag!!!! in reply to Rich,NJ, 03-09-2003 06:44:50  
The definitions of freedom and liberty changed after 9/11. We are playing by a different set of rules now. We do not live in some liberal libertarian utopia. The bad guys found out that we are weak at home, even though we are strong abroad.

Nobody here wants to see the errosion of freedoms. But freedom isn't free. Part of the cost is making a few sacrifices in liberties and part of the price is that some great young men are going to die protecting your right to blab the stupid garbage that you posted here.

Guess how much Saddam Hussein cares about your freedom? Or Korea, or the UN or France or China or Russia. You talk about the president like he doesn't care about your freedom. I'm sure if he wanted to do nothing you would have issues with that too.

Stand up for your nation. And then either get on board or move (which by the way you can do in this country.

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Mountainman

03-10-2003 10:42:35




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Tonight: I burned the American Flag!!!! in reply to Snowplow, 03-10-2003 07:54:27  
You said "Part of the cost is making a few sacrifices in liberties..."

Then just what do you expect when the "war" is over? (if it ever is).

Mountainman...CA



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Snowplow

03-10-2003 12:08:26




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Tonight: I burned the American Flag!!!! in reply to Mountainman, 03-10-2003 10:42:35  
I'm sorry to say that I don't think it will ever be over.



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leon bee

03-10-2003 08:34:41




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Tonight: I burned the American Flag!!!! in reply to Snowplow, 03-10-2003 07:54:27  
Like in get in favor of this war or move? You, sir, are full of crap!



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Snowplow

03-10-2003 12:21:27




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Tonight: I burned the American Flag!!!! in reply to leon bee, 03-10-2003 08:34:41  
I respect people's right to be against war. But don't turn your back on your nation and the people who are trying to protect it. Debate, question, argue..fine. Most of what I have heard from the peace rally crew is "crap". If people think Bush is evil, and America is evil, and that the sacrifices we all must make are too much, they can move.



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Sounds like an intruder in our midst.

03-09-2003 11:32:20




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 Re: Re: Re: Tonight: I burned the American Flag!!!! in reply to Rich,NJ, 03-09-2003 06:44:50  
Hey Rich, Are you a tractor enthusiast or just using this board to insult us? As mentioned below, you really do need help. Come back on April 1st after all the Iraqi American flag waving in the streets of Bagdad. Then you can apologize to coalition families that have lost sons & daughters for the citizens of Iraq and our children who can then live in peace for more than just a few years.



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Ken/Wa

03-09-2003 09:16:14




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 Re: Re: Re: Tonight: I burned the American Flag!!!! in reply to Rich,NJ, 03-09-2003 06:44:50  
Rich, I think most of us on this board can trace our ancestry back to the founding of this country. Mine came to Philadelphia in 1725 and migrated to Bucks Co Pa. In 1793 they moved across the the state line to Hunterdon Co NJ. My relatives also were involved in the revolution. (By the way, they were on the American side not the Loyalists, you did not mention which side yours were on). It took alot of nerve to side with the upstart colonials, since the odds were against them. I can only hope I would have made the same choice. In the course of doing my geneology, I have not found any 1st cousins marrying each other, how about you?

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ron

03-09-2003 08:50:48




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 Re: Re: Re: Tonight: I burned the American Flag!!!! in reply to Rich,NJ, 03-09-2003 06:44:50  
I bet all those early ancestors you talk about are really proud of you, we got a guy like you in our family, everybody claims he was adopted.



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Way to Go Master Mind

03-09-2003 08:08:07




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 Re: Re: Re: Tonight: I burned the American Flag!!!! in reply to Rich,NJ, 03-09-2003 06:44:50  
How could you have time to post such a long response with all of your duties at MIT and your work as a Rocket Scientist. Your keen observation that we are "replicating...every... aspect of the old Soviet Union" is so deep and thoughtful. I agree, every aspect including killing 100 million people and spying on important people like you Rich have been implemented. Also, your Israel bashing hatred is really great. The Israelis most certainly control our Government. Without a master mind/race genius like you Rich all hope would be lost. We will keep our heads "deeply in the sand" while your head stays firmly and deeply stuck way up where the sun don't shine.

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One nation, under God!

03-09-2003 07:34:28




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 Re: Re: Re: Tonight: I burned the American Flag!!!! in reply to Rich,NJ, 03-09-2003 06:44:50  
Hey Rich; GET A LIFE!!! (Hopefully outside our borders)



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Rich,NJ

03-09-2003 13:15:51




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Tonight: I burned the American Flag!!!! in reply to One nation, under God!, 03-09-2003 07:34:28  
Well, Well! I got my butt figuratively tarred and feathered today. No one said why I was wrong, but you've showed me the error of my ways. (Rich looking contritely at the ground whilst shuffling feet) Yup I now know that There's a possibility that my acestors, John Hughson, Robert Hughson. And the other side, the Hortons, Capt. Nathan, and his Nephew, Colonel Nathaniel Horton Of the NJ line, Cont.Army may have been Loyalists. Sure they were. Just like John Hughson's father, John, who was hung by the British in the 1741 NYC conspiracy trial. Yup, all loyal to the king, to a man. One thing they didn't do was fall prey to govt propaganda. Now about this Israeli thing. I've got a lot of Irish in me and There are about forty million Irish in this country. Yet, Is St Paddy's day a National Holiday ? Does the US govt support the Republic of Ireland with a four billion dollar gift each year as it has for Israel? Has the US govt given the green light to the Gardai or the IRA to come to the US and murder those whom it doesn't like as it recently did with the Mossad?
Israel has been picking our taxpayer's pockets since 1948, to the tune of $4 Billion a year. The aggragate of this arrangement is $1.6 Trillion. This means that with a natl debt of 6 Trillion, The nation of Israel is responsible for over 25%
of it. Why not Ireland? If the R.of I. were to recieve one tenth of that largesse, The Unionists in the north who want to stay with the UK, would suddenly want to unite with the Republic faster than you can say "Saorse"! The IRA and INLA and the UDA would be able to have their meetings in phone booths. But no, We'll let the Paddy's go on being poor. We can put our money in the middle east, antagonizing the nations that send us oil. For what it's worth. Israel has become a defacto Russian Colony. Don't believe it? Ask yourself where has all the immigration into Israel come from in the last forty years. Thats right! Russia. These are people who basically hid their Jewishnish because the Russians don't like them very much. Once they found it was their ticket out, They began proclaiming it from the rooftops. This massive infusion of Russian immigarnts into Israel is why the Israelis want to clear the west bank of Palestinians. To make room for the new arrivals. Hitler called this "Lebensraum" But we won't make such allusions here. The policy of enlarging one's borders is against all UN policies and There have been Many UN resolutions against Israel for this, but so far Israel had been given a pass and allowed to continue the practice. Now I suppose that someone will think that I'm anti-Semetic for saying all this. And I ask, MustI be allowed to know these things and yet keep my mouth shut because truth is painful for some people? I can only apologise for my shortcomings. Regards, Rich Now back to tractors!

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Snowplow

03-11-2003 04:45:47




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Tonight: I burned the American Flag!!!! in reply to Rich,NJ, 03-09-2003 13:15:51  
Despite my urge to give a history lesson here, and despite the fact that I have been and will continue to be "full of crap", put my foot in my mouth, and use to kick other peoples rear ends as I see fit.. I agree with the idea of...

LETS GET BACK TO TRACTORS.

I come to this board (and to my tractors) to get a way from the world for a bit. I don't know why I can't resist the dreaded political OT post. My own fault. I loved the post about the flags. Thank god we still treat our flag with respect somewhere in this nation.

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Mike

03-09-2003 17:37:26




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Tonight: I burned the American Flag!!!! in reply to Rich,NJ, 03-09-2003 13:15:51  
Hey Rich, NJ

Why don't you take your arab lovin' butt back to arabia from whence it came and prepare to receive.

Mike



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ron

03-09-2003 13:41:14




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Tonight: I burned the American Flag!!!! in reply to Rich,NJ, 03-09-2003 13:15:51  
Rich you made a good point about all those Jewish settlers moving from Russia to Israel, what did you want them to do, stay in Russia or maybe come here. I know a lot of people that don't like the Irish but you don't hear us whinning about it every day. You could go back to Ireland like those Jews from Russia went back to Israel, I doubt there would be too many people complaining about it. I don't agree with what you say but I agree you have the right to say it.

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Right on Ron

03-09-2003 15:32:57




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Tonight: I burned the American Flag!!!! in reply to ron, 03-09-2003 13:41:14  
Got that right Ron. Now about leaving the U.S.A., Maybe Rich can take note and learn a lesson from the 200,000 Iraqi born U.S. citizens living in Detroit MI. From what I understand, a large majority are planning on moving back to their previous homeland after liberation day. Apparently ole Rich has missed his boat.



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Dell (WA)

03-09-2003 00:04:33




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 Re: Tonight: I burned the American Flag!!!! in reply to Ron Ca., 03-08-2003 23:12:56  
Ron..... ..my Boy Scout Troup has a very moving Flag Retirement Ceremony every fall, which includes an inspection and respectfull incineration closing with Taps Bugle call..... ...Dell



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leon bee

03-08-2003 23:16:06




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 Re: Tonight: I burned the American Flag!!!! in reply to Ron Ca., 03-08-2003 23:12:56  
Sounds like you just burned some white and red and blue rags to me.



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moonlite

03-09-2003 03:09:04




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 Re: Re: Tonight: I burned the American Flag!!!! in reply to leon bee, 03-08-2003 23:16:06  
When the flag has become worn and ragged it has ceased to be the symbol of our country. I at one time had problems of disposing of worn or dirty Bibles. Amen to your post!



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ole

03-09-2003 06:53:36




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 Re: Re: Re: Tonight: I burned the American Flag!!!! in reply to moonlite, 03-09-2003 03:09:04  
try this or I also like like the rules set forth by the US Marine corp



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