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rick craig

03-27-2003 18:35:25




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hey listen the gear oil that ya put in these tractors, is that what they call hydraulic oil? need to know, i know its a stupid question but if it saves me from puttin in the wrong thing i'll take the ribbin. thanks. be safe. rick craig




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Dan

03-28-2003 12:25:44




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 Re: oil? in reply to rick craig, 03-27-2003 18:35:25  
There's a new gear lubricant specification you guys should check out. It's API MT-1. MT stands for manual transmission. Manual transmissions like N's also contain yellow metals which can be attacked by traditional GL-5 gear lubes. This specification can be used in conjunction with API GL 1-5 gear lubricants. MT-1, GL-5 gear lubes offer all the anti and extreme wear protection of traditional gear lubricants without the sulphur related corrosion problems. So a SAE 80W-90 gear lube meeting API GL-5, & MT-1 specifications will give you the proper viscosity and wear protection your N's require without any yellow metal compatibility concerns. The only improvement would be to use a 75W-90.

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David - OR

03-28-2003 09:30:14




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 Re: oil? in reply to rick craig, 03-27-2003 18:35:25  
You should not use a "hydraulic oil" in the N-series. These are for elevators, jacks, log splitters, etc. The lubricating properties are wrong for transmissions and rear ends.

You can use a "tractor hydraulic fluid". This are intended for mixed use in hydraulic systems and transmissions. I prefer real FNH 134D to the "universal tractor fluid" typically avalable at big box retailers. The universal fluids claim "compatibility" with 134D, but have a noticeably lower viscosity, and thus more propensity to leak.

You can also use an 80W - xx gear oil. The "extreme pressure" high-sulfur additives in the GL-5 spec fluids have been known to attack small brass or bronze parts (especially synchronizer rings) in transmissions under high-temperature conditions.

With 5 gallons of fluid in a big cast iron tractor case, it is unlikely that the N-series tractor will ever experience "high-temperature" conditions. Furthermore, the only bronze part that I know of is the big fat PTO bushing -- the transmission has no synchronizers.

I personally think the 134D fluid is a good compromise and use that. But I wouldn't lose too much sleep over the difference between GL-3 and GL-5 gear oils.

"You pays your money and takes your choice..."

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MikeC

03-28-2003 04:37:56




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 Re: oil? in reply to rick craig, 03-27-2003 18:35:25  
If you want to use a 50 year old recommendation then you certainly can. However, if your system is in good repair and free from leaks then consider using the current 134D spec fluid. Fair warning: it is newer and flows easier-therefore if you have a leaky or weak system to begin with it will only be worse. But if your system is in good repair the 134D is the best choice (in my opinion).



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Upper Peninsula, Mich

03-27-2003 19:30:00




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 Re: oil? in reply to rick craig, 03-27-2003 18:35:25  
Rick. There is a lot of information available just to the left. For instance, Go to RESEARCH & INFO. click on Articles. Scroll down to Maintenance & Mechanical Information, then scroll down to and click on Ford 9N,2N & 8N Transmission/Hydraulic Fluid. This should answer your question and provide you with even more info. I use Ford M2C134D and have for about 30 years, no problem, Yet? You can buy this also at Walmart and Sams. Good luckl. Ron

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klf

03-27-2003 19:12:17




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 Re: oil? in reply to rick craig, 03-27-2003 18:35:25  
NO!! Gear oil and hydraulic oil are two two different oils. What you want to put in your N series tractor is 80W-90 GL-5. Some people use H-T fluid (which is also different than hydraulic oil), but the book calls for the gear lube.



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NO GL-5 oil . . . Dell (WA)

03-27-2003 20:09:00




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 Re: Re: oil? in reply to klf, 03-27-2003 19:12:17  
klf..... ....sorry, GL-5 is NOT the hydro/tranny oil to use in the N-Tractor. It has additives that are NOT FRIENDLY to N-Hydraulics parts and tranny parts.

Read all about it from founding N-Board member "llamas", just about a plain as explaination as yer gonnna get.

Ford/New Holland now recommends 5 gals of spec: M2C-134D hydro/tranny fluid. 3-drains and 1-fill'em up by tranny shifter. Drain the small square diffy plug first, then the 3" hydro, then the 3" tranny..... .....respectfully, Dell

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Jim Mc

03-27-2003 22:48:57




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 Re: Re: Re: oil? in reply to NO GL-5 oil . . . Dell (WA), 03-27-2003 20:09:00  
The article says nothing about GL-5 being bad for the tractor, nor an improper fluid. Llama also said later to someones reply to that article, that Ford upgraded to GL-3 for a reason.



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GL3 OK

03-28-2003 05:18:31




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: oil? in reply to Jim Mc, 03-27-2003 22:48:57  
The upgrade from GL1 to GL3 is OK as I understand it—in fact, MOBIL recommends it (MOBIL Trans-50) for the Ford spec.

GL5 has additives which will eat the bronze bearings for lunch. It's great for hypoids, but not yur N.



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NOT LOGICAL

03-28-2003 07:49:28




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: oil? in reply to GL3 OK, 03-28-2003 05:18:31  
So you are telling me that the bronze bushings in the N series can't take GL-5, but bronze bushings in other manufactures tractors can take GL-5? I find that very hard to believe. In llama's post, he didn't say any such thing about GL-5, not at all.



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I forgot to ask

03-27-2003 22:33:53




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 Re: Re: Re: oil? in reply to NO GL-5 oil . . . Dell (WA), 03-27-2003 20:09:00  
For what reason is it not friendly with the transmission?? That doesn't sound logical, unless there is something I'm missing.

klf



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dave#1

03-28-2003 04:08:04




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: oil? in reply to I forgot to ask, 03-27-2003 22:33:53  
Na, you did'nt miss anything, old Dell and I and others have debated this for years now on how he is wrong about the gear lube, Ya see, Dell likes to compare "N Tractors" to "Bmw's" and "727's" which is like compareing "apples to oranges"

I and many others here have been running gear oil in our N's for years with no problems what so ever.

later,dave



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klf

03-27-2003 22:26:56




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 Re: Re: Re: oil? in reply to NO GL-5 oil . . . Dell (WA), 03-27-2003 20:09:00  
I read the article, and no where does it say not to use GL-5. In the oil industry, if something specifies GL-3, you can use GL-3 or higher; which makes GL-5 acceptable. You can go up, but cannot down grade.



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8N34343

03-27-2003 19:19:19




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 Re: Re: oil? in reply to klf, 03-27-2003 19:12:17  
Rick,klf is right 80W90 is the way to go,the cofusion lies in that the gear oil in an 8N also serves as the hydraulic oil,even though it isn't. Did I say that right? I think you'll understand anyways.



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