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Philm in CA

04-03-2003 16:09:35




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This is on topic if you consider that I will be using my NAA to help me manage this work. I am in the process of buying property which will allow me to turn our 2 quarter horses out in pasture. I have never done this before and have only begun to research the subject. I thought I would tap this resourse to see what has worked for you guys. Tricks, tips, pitfalls, other resources, etc. I will have about 4 acres to dedicate to the horse setup including barn, arena and pasture. The climate is semi-arid in the Central Valley of California near Lodi.
Thanks in advance for any help.

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worked for me==bj/8n/mt

04-04-2003 05:54:46




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 Re: OT - Horse Pasture in reply to Philm in CA, 04-03-2003 16:09:35  
Find another horse owner in the area or even better someone in the area who sells hay. Try to pick somebody who has been doing it for a decade and even better a second generation farmer on the same dirt. Buy him barley pop and have your wife get to know his wife.

He will know what works, have all the equipment you will want to borrow, know where to buy fertilizer and seed right, and generally save you a bunch of trial and error.

Your local ag agent is another resource but they may only know what they have been told and may not have any interest in keeping costs down.

Your mileage may vary

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LarryNAA

04-03-2003 17:43:12




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 Re: OT - Horse Pasture in reply to Philm in CA, 04-03-2003 16:09:35  
Small World. I bought an NAA two years ago, to develop our 7 acres in upstate NY for 2 Quarter Horses. 1'st thing I got was a 5' bush hog, and cleared 4 acres for pasture. Then I used a york rake (AKA landscape or stone rake)to rough up soil some. A disc or drag harrow would probably have worked better for this, but I needed the rake for other stuff, and it did OK on the pasture. Then I seeded with bluegrass, white clover and birdsfoot trefoil. I also tested the soil, and corrected for pH and nitrogen as required, prior to seeding. I got good, green pasture grass. Next purchase: Post hole digger (PhD). I put in about a million (+/-)posts in our 99 degree summer, and then moved the horses in. They could care less about the NAA, but they love that white clover. We don't stall them, but instead they have a run-in shed. This saves work, as they tend to spread their own manure: they are out in the pasture most of the day. A few passes with the york rake, every few weeks and the 'horse apples' are all broken up, nice. In all, I really like the Jubilee. It can handle the bush hog, any kind of 3 point cultivation implement, it literally turns on a dime (good when you have to move around in tight spaces), it relatively quite, so it does not get the horses all riled up. And I probably paid less for my NAA than than my neighbor paid in sales tax alone on one of those new green tractors. I did rebuild the engine in the first winter, but that was no surprise: I got a good deal because it basically had a weak motor. Now, it's a good, smooth running machine with plenty of power for my needs. This site has a lot of good advice, and I use it often.

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Philm in Ca

04-04-2003 08:04:13




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 Re: Re: OT - Horse Pasture in reply to LarryNAA, 04-03-2003 17:43:12  
Thanks for the reponse. And yes I am already on the lookout for a bushhog and PhD. I already have a box scraper w/rippers, disc harrow and harrow rake to work the soil. There is a barn on the place with 4 stalls which I will build paddocks for that open to the pasture. As bj said I will check with locals and extension agent for grass varieties to plant. Do you rotate the horses or leave them in the same pasture all the time? BTY I love my NAA also. Have had it for 3 years and only had to do very minor work to it.

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LarryNAA

04-04-2003 08:40:52




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 Re: Re: Re: OT - Horse Pasture in reply to Philm in Ca, 04-04-2003 08:04:13  
We initially built 2 pastures, but I found that in the spring, when only the top few inches of soil is thawed, and the rest is frozen, horses can really damage the ground fast. Also in the summer, when it gets so dry that the grass gets dormant, they keep trying to eat it, and they can kill off the entire pasture. So I put in a small "Sacrifice" pasture for those times. That gives the 2 main p[pastures a fighting chance. Horses are picky eaters, and when they find a patch of clover they eat it right down to the dirt in one morning. They'll ignore bluegrass until they eat all that clover. Even so, when they eat the grass down, you still gotta bush-hog or else the weeds they don't eat will get taller, make seed, and spread. I tell my wife that I do all that tractor work just for her horses, but secretly, I enjoy it.

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Philm in CA

04-04-2003 08:49:12




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: OT - Horse Pasture in reply to LarryNAA, 04-04-2003 08:40:52  
Frost is not a problem for me but dry summers sure are. I will have to irrigate to make this work at all. I'll check it out and see if I need a 'Sacrafice' field. And oh yeah, my wife's horses are the excuse I used to buy a tractor in the first place. I think she's catching on though.
Thanks again
Philm



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depends on moisture==bj/8n./mt

04-04-2003 09:04:53




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: OT - Horse Pasture in reply to Philm in CA, 04-04-2003 08:49:12  
The locals can give you a better idea of conditions in your area but it is farily dry here and four acres won't support two horses year round in this country without buying hay. Rather than sacrifice you might consider feeding hay when it gets dry.

A small fence charger and plastic wire with step in posts are cheap compared to what you already have sunk in implements and if you keep your pasture rotated you will come out way ahead in the long run.

Your mileage may vary

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Philm in Ca

04-04-2003 09:31:23




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: OT - Horse Pasture in reply to depends on moisture==bj/8n./mt, 04-04-2003 09:04:53  
Yeah I will probably use hot wire on a temp basis but I have small children so don't like it much. I assume I will have to suppliment with dry hay at times but want to try the pasture route to see how it works. I understand that, done right, pasture grazed horses are generally more healthy that stall kept/hay fed.

Thanks for your help!



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Mountainman

04-04-2003 11:12:35




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: OT - Horse Pasture in reply to Philm in Ca, 04-04-2003 09:31:23  
"I understand that, done right, pasture grazed horses are generally more healthy that stall kept/hay fed."

The best of both worlds would be to leave the horses free access to the stall and the pasture of your choice and then fed hay as necessary. A flake of oat hay spread around a bit can keep a horse happy for quite a while and take the load off of the pasture some. It is also a good way to get to know your horses - some like to be inside and some rarely go in, if left to their own choice.

Seems to me that 'stall kept' would be much harder on a horse than 'hay fed'.

N - joy your horses and you NAA

Mountainman...CA

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SEParker

04-04-2003 12:53:31




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: OT - Horse Pasture in reply to Mountainman, 04-04-2003 11:12:35  
PhilM:

Welcome to the neighborhood!! We moved to Herald approx. 2 yrs ago. Still working on my 5 acre place there. Lots of work, but my 52 8N helps immensely. It is currently undergoing a complete teardown - overhaul is done, now stripping and priming for new paint to make it purty.

I don't think you will have any problem keeping 2 QH's fat and happy most of the year on 4 acres of pasture in the area. There is a 2-3 month period where the grass doesn't grow so great, and you can supplement with hay then.

One option I am considering that you might think about is splitting it up between seasonal, non irrigated pasture and irrigated pasture. I have been turning out on nonirrigated pasture in Mid Jan, and that has been more than enough grass until mid May or so when it browns up. I then feed partial hay (1x day)until Mid-August or so, then all hay until mid Jan. My irrigated pasture, when complete, should take care of Mid May until mid-November, so that I only have a couple months to feed. I plan to run 3 - 4 horses in the future as my daughter gets older, and may need to supplement more hay later.

HTH,
SEP

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Philm in CA

04-07-2003 13:47:52




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: OT - Horse Pasture in reply to SEParker, 04-04-2003 12:53:31  
Small world! We are supposed to move in June (if all goes well). I would like to e-mail you in the future if you don't mind.



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