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Results from: got me a stethoscope and compression gauge

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9N'er

04-05-2003 08:57:33




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Taking my interest a step further today and purchased an engine stethoscope and compression gauge.

I'm familiarizing myself with a 1959 871 172 motor and sounds.

Here are the results of my testing:
Plugs - Autolite 216's all black sooted two hand loose. Will install 437's for a hotter burn.

Compression test
1: 105
2: 100
3: 100
4" 105

All jumpred to 75-80 fast then after same cranks maxed at those readings.

As engine was idling I pulled plug wires one at a time to listen for a change in the clacking sound.

The sound appears to be at or around 4 cylinder.
When I pulled that wire the sound did not change.
Progressed down from 3 to 1.

Same result. No change in clacking sound.

Upon shutting down and letting it sit for 45 minute I fired her up and she backfired/popped but briefly. Left the gas valve on.

Let it run and get hot, drove it around etc. Oil Pressure warmed up: High RPMS 65
Idle 40-45

Applied stethscope: Sounds did not appear all that much different from one cylinder to the other. Applied it to valve cover on top: same. Applied at cover on side no outstanding sounds to report. But that hydraulic pump sure has a bunch of moving parts in there. Yep, a lot more noise in an engine than I ever guessed.

What do you make of these above results?

Added Marvel Mystery Oil after draining a quart of oil from pan. Letting it run now to see if clacking will change.

Will do a complete tune-up when parts arrive and change over plugs too a hotter burn plug and readjust carb to rid the rich mixtured carbon build up.

Appreciate the insights to this. Tom

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Don C

04-05-2003 14:12:54




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 Re: results from: got me a stethoscope and compression gauge in reply to 9N'er, 04-05-2003 08:57:33  
Don't remember if you mentioned or not but did you check timing. If too advanced it can give you that clacking sound. Redid my AC and timing was too advanced, it had a back clacking sound after playing around with it retarded the timing and it sounded great after that. Might be worth a try to reduce the timing a bit and see what happens.



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9n141

04-05-2003 12:23:14




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 Re: results from: got me a stethoscope and compression gauge in reply to 9N'er, 04-05-2003 08:57:33  
I have 8 or 9 of those 172 gas, & 1 diesel. They all have a little diff. sound. If your new to using a stethoscope, it will play tricks with your mind & your hearing. Oil pres. is good, compression is even, could be as hidh as 130. I got one out last week that hadn't been running since Oct., didn't know if I should paint it "green" or fix it. Put in new plugs 2 were not firing, got engine warm and took breather pipe off, 1/2 throtle and poured in as much auto trans. fluid it would take without stalling (outside only).I do this until I have used 1/4-1/2 quart. Runs good now. These engines carbon. less if carb is set lean so that you have to choke them to start. People who say it starts first flip no choke likely have it set to rich causing carbon. Old mech. told me yesterday that his tric k was to pour room temp water in to warm engine running 2/3-3/4 throtle, this loosens and blows the carbon out. I would get a second opinion on this idea. BURT. P.S. the first job will lub valves, etc., second one with water will loosen carbon.

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Rob

04-05-2003 19:53:25




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 Re: Re: results from: got me a stethoscope and compression gauge in reply to 9n141, 04-05-2003 12:23:14  
Be cautious with this water technique! Gasoline that enters the cylinder is atomized; that is to say, it is fuel mixed with air in a sort of a mist. This mixture is then compressed, ignited, and so on. Straight fluids CANNOT be compressed! Especially water. When the piston comes up to compress the fluid (which cannot be compressed) the force of the compression must be transferred somewhere, usually the connecting rod, which breaks and makes a real mess of the engine. If your engine is running rich, adjust the carb to where it should be, replace the plugs and be done with it. A little carbon build up on the combustion chamber won't hurt anything. A lot of carbon build up means something is wrong that needs to be corrected.

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JimNC

04-05-2003 09:57:57




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 Re: results from: got me a stethoscope and compression gauge in reply to 9N'er, 04-05-2003 08:57:33  
The way you talk everything sounds "normal". You can have 2 of the same engines, built at the same time, using the same parts and they have different sounds here and there. Oil psi looks good, comp. looks good.

Jim



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Scott(Ks.)

04-05-2003 11:49:05




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 Re: Re: results from: got me a stethoscope and compression gauge in reply to JimNC, 04-05-2003 09:57:57  
Years ago my dad had an 800 series tractor that had a rattle in the top end. The local dealership had a couple of super Ford tractor mechanics. My dad hauled his tractor in for them to look at and never took it off the trailer. The mechanic listened to it and told him there is an oil line that oils the rocker arms that comes loose, it doesn't harm anything and that if he wanted the dealership to fix it they would. But if it was his, he would just take it home and remove the valve cover and wire the oil line to one of the rocker arm studs with baleing wire. It worked on that tractor, it quieted it right down. Sometimes the bad noises aren't that serious. Lots of luck with yours.

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