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Hub stuck to axle
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any tips on loosening it?

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Rich (VA)

04-06-2003 17:16:44




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Replacing the brake shoes on the '49 8N that I recently purchased (first tractor), and found one set of brakes covered with grease - haven't been able to get those dang screws off of the brake on the other side yet, even with an impact driver, but that's another matter altogether. I want to replace the Gasket Seal Ring behind the Brake Backing Plate Assembly (figure that must be the cause of the leak), but can't get the hub to come off. Tried a sledgehammer and a crowbar with no luck. The splines look clean, no rust that I can see. I have the J & D Brake Repair video, but their hub came right off with a slight tap of the hammer. Any tips for this rookie would be appreciated!

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ZANE

04-07-2003 05:52:17




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 Re: Hub stuck to axle - any tips on loosening it? in reply to Rich (VA), 04-06-2003 17:16:44  
On the 8N loosening the lugs won't accomplish a thing as far as loosening the hub goes. The hub has a tapered spline and so does the axle. Sorta like the Morse taper used in machine shop tools etc.

The big nut on the end of the axle is tourqued to (believe it or not) 450 foot pounds and if it has not become loose on it's own you have a booger to get loose sometimes. The best thing to use is an old timey Ford hub puller but I'm almost sure you don't have access to one of these.

If you can have a little patience you can remove the retainer lock ring from the axle nut and then loosen the nut a couple of turns and re install the retainer ring and drive the tractor until the hub loosens itself.

The early 8Ns have only one axle seal and it is more prone to leaking than the 51/51 8Ns which have an innner and outer axle seal.

You can use my home made fix to prevent it from leaking in the future if you want to try it. If the hub is not extremely tight so that you have to have a puller to get it off I think you can replace the seal yourself. If the hub is tight that is a good sign you might get it to stop leaking.The problem with the 48 8N is that it does not have an inner seal like the 51 and 52 do. If the hub is loose on the axle and it can't be tightened because of the spline being worn too much to allow any more tightening then you will not be able to stop the leak the conventional way unless you replace the axle and hub. I hope that is not the case.

If the axle is worn too much to allow it to be tightened then you might consider my fix for the leak and leave the hub loose a few more years. To fix the leak my unconventional way you pull the axle away from the axle housing about 6 or 8 inches and wrap the axle for about 6 inches from the outer end of the axle that is exposed with teflon tape.Wipe all the oil from the housing and then take a caulking tube full of silicone glue and pump it into the void between the axle and the housing. Keep the hub as close to the housing as you can till you get the silicone pumped in.Use the whole tube and then replace the axle into the housing and replace the bolts etc. Let the silicone cure overnight and then you can go about using the tractor. Be sure that the oil in the rearend etc is not over full as this will contribute to the axle leaking.

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Rich (VA)

04-07-2003 17:50:32




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 Re: Re: Hub stuck to axle - any tips on loosening it? in reply to ZANE, 04-07-2003 05:52:17  
Thanks, for the advice gang. Zane, I knew that Dell just meant to loosen the 2" Axle Nut. Both of the large nuts came off with no real trouble. Haven't had a chance to try driving it yet to loosen up the one hub, but plan to. In the meantime, still haven't been able to get 2 of the 4 screws out of the other Brake Drum. Impact Driver failed, then tried a Sloted Bit on the end of a ratchet using a 4 foot cheater bar - it just started to tear up both the bit and the head of the screw, just like the slot on the Impact driver (also had soaked both screws with Liquid Wrench). About to order a 9/16 Drag Link Socket - looks like it may be a nice match for the slot. Anyone have advice for stubborn Brake Drum screws?

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Jim

04-06-2003 17:46:58




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 Re: Hub stuck to axle - any tips on loosening it? in reply to Rich (VA), 04-06-2003 17:16:44  
I just did this on my 2N about 2 hours ago & it may work for you.

Loosen but do not remove the nuts holding the wheel. Use a 4x4 or 4x6 & place against the inside of the opposite wheel. Place a jack between the 4x4 & the wheel to be removed and apply steady pressure with the jack. When it finally breaks loose, the wheel may eject from the tractor, so be sure the nuts are in place because that sucker is heavy! I am sure there are other ways but this method works.

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Dell (WA)

04-06-2003 17:37:35




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 Re: Hub stuck to axle - any tips on loosening it? in reply to Rich (VA), 04-06-2003 17:16:44  
Rich..... ....slightly loosen your rear wheel lugnuts (1-turn), then drive in "figgure eights". The shifting load will usually loosen your hubs..... ...Dell



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