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9n141

04-06-2003 19:58:35

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Someone with a post on pg. 2 the heading was plow, disc etc., he is having success with 5ft tiller and tilling 6" deep. Is his tiller geared diff. WHAT??? I have 40" bushhog brand tiller (gear box rated up to 50 hp. and will offset 12", giving cover for one FORD back wheel). Here is my exp. 8n O/U low-low way too fast tried several passes NO GOOD, tried 651 -5sp low gear too fast, works good on any selecto trans. (also makes good offset ballist for one arm loader! ). I know I shouldn't swear here, but my wifes 17 HP Kubota with hydrostatic trans. will pulverize 6" deep in one pass, also now that I already swore- my friend has used it very sucessful on MF 135D that I sold him . ??? My Question is how does he rototill wiyh an N tractor??? BURT>

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Snowplow

04-07-2003 09:48:15

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Re: Roto tiller and n tractors in reply to 9n141, 04-06-2003 19:58:35

I have used the same tiller that you describe using. 40" Covers one N wheel. I was able to use it on previosly well tilled soil (as in an established garden plot) However I did not get it to go very deep. What I would do was to turn over the soil with a plow and then esentially chop it up and smooth it out with the tiller. I have heard that even with a stewp down tranny that tillers are marginal at best. However the tiller you describe may be large enough and heavy enough to promote some depth gain.

Good luck!

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RWK in WI

04-07-2003 07:21:13

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Re: Roto tiller and n tractors in reply to 9n141, 04-06-2003 19:58:35

I have a couple of neighbors that have a system to rototill with their tractors. They mout the tiller on a NAA to take advantage of the live lift and run this tractor in neutral at PTO speed. They pull this tractor with a N in low gear and just above idle. It takes two operators but does a great job. I hope this may help some of you.
Dick Kraus

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Clint

04-07-2003 06:47:07

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Re: Roto tiller and n tractors in reply to 9n141, 04-06-2003 19:58:35

The obvious answer that everyone overlooks is that soil types vary greatly, and if his soil is light and sandy enough, he may be getting away with it. But why be greedy? How big is your garden, anyway? I get by with a 24" tiller mounted on the back of a garden tractor, much as I'd like to do it with a 48" pass. Nearly everyone has a lawn tractor to cut the grass as well as their trusty Ford. Most of them have hydro static drive, which is the ultimate in front of a roto tiller.

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predictable==bj/8n/mt

04-07-2003 05:20:16

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Re: Roto tiller and n tractors in reply to 9n141, 04-06-2003 19:58:35

You know it is Saturday when the "my twelve volt conversion" questions start and you know it is spring when the "can I run a roto tiller" questions start. You can physically hook a tiller to an n series and make it go round and round. One post [not the most recent] that claimed it worked eventually got around to saying he made fifteen [15] passes to make a seed bed. Another way to do it might be the way suggested below--run the tiller in neutral, put the tractor in gear, move forward six inches, put it back in neutral and till, back in gear and move six inches etc, etc, etc.

Before anybody spends money on a tiller in the hope they can make it work I would strongly suggest they at least try a walk behind or rent a tiller and try it on the tractor. I roto till with a Bolens with a hydrostat and if you get a feel for how it works you will be convinced that an n series tractor isn't going to do it as it came from the factory unless you somehow slow the ground speed down more than even a Sherman will. N series are great little tractors but they have limits and this is one of them.

Your mileage may vary

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Dell (WA)

04-06-2003 21:42:13

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Re: Roto tiller and n tractors in reply to 9n141, 04-06-2003 19:58:35

Burt..... ....You have just proved what we've been telling everyone, N's ARE NOT ROTOTILLING machines. They are too high ground speed geared even with a Sherman underdrive. Your tractor with the Select-O-Speed (SOS) tranny does gear down slow enuff groundspeed for a rototiller to work. Your wifes 17hp Kubota also has a slow enuff ground speed with the hydro-tranny. The MF-135D also has a slow speed 1st gear that makes it successfull for rototilling.

As to the boastfull claim of the gentleman running a 5' Kubota rototiller behind his 8N. Without a doubt, he is doing it, or he wouldn't had posted. There is MORE TO THE STORY THAN HE IS TELLING.

Bottom line, without the rare and fragle "Howard" aux tranny, N's ARE NOT ROTOTILLER machines..... ...Dell

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pat

04-07-2003 12:20:07

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Re: Re: Roto tiller and n tractors in reply to Dell (WA), 04-06-2003 21:42:13

Hey guys;
I'm the one who uses a roto-tiller with my 8n. I'm wide eyed looking at all the response to this. I have a step-up sherman, so that's no help. All I can say is it works for me in standard first gear. I do have sandy-loam soil. Maybe that's the key and maybe it is the tiller. It's an older model, an FS1270. It weighs about 500 pounds. Maybe it's the gear ratio in the tiller. I don't know why it works for me, but it does. I start by lowering the tiller, with the tines running, let it dig in while sitting in place at six inches deep, have the trottle set to PTO speed, put it in first gear and let out the clutch and go. Yes the first past does not give me a smooth ready to go seed bed. I have to go over it twice and "sometimes" three passes. But, it's still fast and I get a good seed bed without any further work.

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Dell (WA)

04-07-2003 17:11:45

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Re: Re: Re: Roto tiller and n tractors in reply to pat, 04-07-2003 12:20:07

Pat..... .....I have no doubt that you are doing what you claim.

Did you know that your 8N's ground speed in 1st gear (direct) at PTO speed of 540 rpms (engine 1500 rpms) is 2.77 mph?

Did you know that most rototillers are designed for about 1 mph ground speed?

Again I say, without the rare and fragle dealer installed "Howard" auxillary after-tranny, the N-Tractor is too high ground speed geared for rototilling..... ....respectfully, Dell

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Pat

04-08-2003 10:20:55

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Roto tiller and n tractors in reply to Dell (WA), 04-07-2003 17:11:45

Dell;
I don't think I have a howard tranny. I have a sherman step-up. I agree my ground speed is 2+mph. the 500+ pounds make it easy for the tiller to get into the ground. Could it be that because it has 20 heavy gauge rather large tines that seem to work a lot of ground as soon as I make contact with the soil? I am going to take pictures of the field before, during, and after each pass. I will try to get them on the site. You may have to give me instructions as to how to post pictures on this site. I would like to know more than anyone, why this works for me.

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Buford

04-07-2003 01:02:39

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Re: Re: Roto tiller and n tractors in reply to Dell (WA), 04-06-2003 21:42:13

Is it not possible to run a tiller from an N? Couldn't you run the tractor in neutral, let the tiller push and use the brake to keep the ground speed slow enough?

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Rich,NJ

04-06-2003 21:38:13

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Re: Roto tiller and n tractors in reply to 9n141, 04-06-2003 19:58:35

He may have a "Howard" stepdown transmission. The Howard and possibly the Everett transmissions do not slow the PTO while slowing the machine's groundspeed as a Sherman does. Howard made both the rotovator and the transmission that went with it. The Howard company is still in business in Australia. But sadly, the current engineering staff have no knowledge regarding the transmission. Check the Smith's tractor page for more info. Regards, Rich

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