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2N hydraulics

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STephen Wright

04-07-2003 07:51:00




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I have recently purchased a 1946 2N. The hydraulics seem to work, (will stay up etc.), but the hydraulics jerk when going up. I read earlier that this is probably either a pump issue or a relief valve issue. However, on my tractor, the jerkiness seems to go away after the tractor has run awhile. I would like to know if anyone has an idea why the problem would go away, and should I still replace the relief valve or replace/rebuild the pump. Other than that, the tractor runs well.

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David - OR

04-07-2003 08:59:09




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 Re: 2N hydraulics in reply to STephen Wright, 04-07-2003 07:51:00  
The Scotch Yoke pump has 4 pump cylinders. If one of them isn't carrying the ball, there is a noticeable pulsation as the lift arms come up. It's a lot like how your engine runs when you pull off a spark plug wire.

I suspect you have a sticking valve in one of the pump chambers. Once the fluid warms up and thins out, the valve frees up and can seal properly.

Changing the relief valve is unlikely to help. A soft relief valve spring tends to lead to a loss of lift capacity, but the lift still works smoothly (albeit weakly).

You could probably fix the problem by dropping the pump and cleaning all the crud out of there. I'll bet you don't actually need a rebuild.

You can take the valve assemblies off the pump chambers and clean them up. Just pay attention to the orientation of the many parts. A soak of the complete pump in diesel followed by spinning the pump by hand with the PTO shaft will probably do it without taking it apart.

The N-series hydraulic lift will pulsate some, even when new, if the engine is running at low RPM. This is a fundamental difference between a PTO driven pump vs. a front mount pump.

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Bob - MI

04-07-2003 13:27:54




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 Re: Re: 2N hydraulics in reply to David - OR, 04-07-2003 08:59:09  
Dave,

I have lots of the same stuff going on in my 2N lift system. I had my pump out last year for some other lift related issues and I had trouble getting the pump apart for a "look see".

I suspect that I have a combination of things going on, piston wear, sticking valves, leaking valves, that are giving me erratic operation.

Is there any trick to getting the valve bodies off? I loosened them up and couldn't get them to release while on the bench.

I am convinced I have to tear into this and thought about loosening the bolts and then cycling the pump to use the hyd. pressure to get things moving.

Thoughts?

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OH Boy

04-07-2003 14:21:35




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 Re: Re: Re: 2N hydraulics in reply to Bob - MI, 04-07-2003 13:27:54  
If you took the bolts out of the valve chambers the only thing holding them onto the pump base should be the gasket, a couple firm whacks with a soft faced mallet should break them free.

Don't get too rough and break anything. These parts are on the expensive side.



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