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Al

04-18-2003 21:39:02




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Dell, I have a 62 Ford 4000 with a 172 cu.in. gas engine.I found that the person who had it before me has the firing order backwards.# 4 is firing as # 1 ,# 3 is firing as # 2, so on and so forth.I talked to an old time tractor guy and he said he sees this quite often.My question is will this hurt anything.The tractor runs great and the timing is right on.Should i follow the old adage of "if it ain't broke don't fix it"or should i set it right.And where should i start.

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Dell (WA)

04-19-2003 00:05:40




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 Re: Question for Dell? in reply to Al, 04-18-2003 21:39:02  
Al..... ....thats funny..... sorry, can't help them giggles. (grin).

Heres the deal, firing order should be 1,2,4,3 CCW, and you're saying your Ford 4000 with 172 redtiger engine is 4,3,1,2 CCW. (which is 180 deg off-set) Something more common is mis-wired fireing order of 1,3,4,2 CCW, and then the engine kinda limps along on just 2 cylinders without much power (wonder why?) NOT your case here.

Well I can guarentee you that even though the #4 nipple is connected to the #1 sparkie, inside and underneath the distributor cap, the rotor is also pointing to the #4 nipple contact when the #1 piston is TDC. And that is all it takes, sparkie at the right time.

How can this be? well.....all side mount distributors can be "miss-installed" because the distributor shaft is rotatable as it is slid down into the camshaft drive gear. And if that happened, the installer could just make everything line up as if there weren't any numbers on the distributor. And he probably did.

OR..... .a ham-handed mechanic force-fit the distributor cap 180* on the mounting notches of the distributor body. But he would still have had to "re-wire" the distributor cap nipples as previously described.

Howsomevers, a 180* force-fitted distributor cap will probably be loose will give inconsistant timing and cause hard starting. Something you claim does NOT occure.

My advice, letterbee. Don't mucka round. Heres the deal, you're not having problems. And most mechanics will grab the #1 sparkie to trigger their ignition timing gun 'cuz its eazier than pullin' a nipple outta the distributor cap..... ....thanks for the grin, Dell

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AL

04-19-2003 02:31:18




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 Re: Re: Question for Dell? in reply to Dell (WA), 04-19-2003 00:05:40  
Dell,Thanks for the very detailed explanation.Glad I made you smile.
Al



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Ron,Ar

04-19-2003 08:15:12




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 Re: Re: Re: Question for Dell? in reply to AL, 04-19-2003 02:31:18  
Along these same lines. On several different occasions I have gotten calls to help somebody get their Ford truck engine running after rebuild. Each time involved camshafts in a 302 cid. Seems the machine shops have a habit of installing a 351 camshaft. When the customer installs the distributor he naturally uses the old 5.0 firing order. No good. Have to re wire the dist to make it run. Anybody else ever see this?

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DavidO

04-21-2003 06:29:37




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Question for Dell? in reply to Ron,Ar, 04-19-2003 08:15:12  
Yep. Same deal as 302 VS 302 HO. HO uses a different cam and 351W firing order.



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