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TSX-33??? Dell shed some light maybe

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Rob

04-30-2003 19:24:05




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Just read the "carburetor Type?" Post. Dell said that the TSX-33 was not used on the sidemount 1950 8n right? Ok, so I have a 1950 sidemount 8n with a TSX-33 carb. Other than the flat rear tire, it runs pretty well. Is running the wrong carb gonna cause anything to go nutty in the future? Thanks in advance for the feedback--Rob




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Dell (WA)

04-30-2003 20:14:16




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 Re: TSX-33??? Dell shed some light maybe in reply to Rob, 04-30-2003 19:24:05  
Rob..... ...if you haven't figgered out by now, lotta N-Stuff is interchangeable, including carburators. And surprizingly enuff, the N-Engine don't know the difference.

Now ya gonna ask me why'd they change, or whats the difference? I don't know. They use the same size mainjet (#49 drill), they use the same size idlejet (0.025). And both are adjustable. Idle speed is 400 rpms and max gov speed 2200 rpms. The engines do have slightly different HP ratings and wheather that is a direct funtion of carb model, I doubt that..... ..... Dell

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Dave OH

04-30-2003 22:37:20




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 Re: Re: Re: TSX-33??? Dell shed some light maybe in reply to another thought.................bg, 04-30-2003 22:15:16  
Three side draft carbs and you would have a 54 Corvette. But you would be short 2 cylinders.
Dave OH



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and.............bg

05-01-2003 04:34:32




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: TSX-33??? Dell shed some light maybe in reply to Dave OH, 04-30-2003 22:37:20  
...a whole bunch of HP, leather seats, a big chunk of fiberglass and cute little wire taillight covers....



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bg

04-30-2003 22:13:10




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 Re: Re: TSX-33??? Dell shed some light maybe in reply to Dell (WA), 04-30-2003 20:14:16  
Acording to the Marvel-Schebler book, the TSX-241-B superseded the TSX-33. They use the same gaskets, repair kits and throttle-body and shaft assemblies. The only difference I can find is in the body(float bowl)assembly part number. Some of the economizer jets may be slightly different or the internal passages may be routed a litle bit differently. Ultimately, either one will function. I doubt the TSX-33 will self-destruct after so many hours. As to why the TSX-241-B superseded the TSX-33, I'm still doing the research.....

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David - OR

05-01-2003 08:07:15




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 Re: Re: Re: TSX-33??? Dell shed some light maybe in reply to bg, 04-30-2003 22:13:10  
The TSX-241B has sealed float bowl and a "back suction economizer". The TSX-33 has a float bowl open to the intake horn and no economizer.

The back suction economizer leans out the mixture under conditions of light load and high manifold vacuum. In theory, this saves fuel as the thrify farms putts about from one field to the next. It has no effect on full power output or on operation at idle.

In practice, the economizer can result in objectionable hesitation as the throttle is rapidly advanced, and can interfere with smooth idle, particularly if the idle speed is set higher than 400 RPM. The feature can be, and often is, entirely defeated by cranking out the main mixture screw in an attempt to cure the hesitation.

As Marvel-Schebeler went from the 241A to B to C, they were changing the economizer passages and jets to try to find the right balance -- the feature never quite worked optimally.

Some folks incorrectly call the "main fuel limiting" jet at the bottom of the fuel bowl the "economizer jet". Perhaps this is because that big screw on the top of the carb does have a large impact on the amount of fuel the tractor uses, particularly at high power.

But the economizer jet in the TSX-241 is mounted higher up, meters air and not fuel, and serves to limit the amount of manifold vacuum the float bowl is subjected to, and thus the amount of "back suction".

Your tractor will not be "hurt" by the TSX-33. It is a slightly simpler carburetor with one less thing to go wrong.

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Gaspump

05-01-2003 08:34:55




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: TSX-33??? Dell shed some light maybe in reply to David - OR, 05-01-2003 08:07:15  
Really nice write up David but I find one serious flaw in it. The TSX-33 carbs did have economizer jets!



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raytasch

05-01-2003 04:45:56




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 Re: Re: Re: TSX-33??? Dell shed some light maybe in reply to bg, 04-30-2003 22:13:10  
The bowl castings are slightly different where the main jet fits.
ray



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